Heavyweight division officialy dead

That guy is aging like fuck,by the way. All of those tinkers do.

 

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I promise you. He's 22 or 23, looks 35. They all drink and spend far too long outdoors. Also, when your brother and your dad are the same person, well, think about it.

 

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Okay, better ease up before Bud comes in with his banning stick.

Trust me.....if this guy Fury has a chin, he's going to be around for a while yet.

Haye did Chisora a favour. If Haye didn't sign for the July 2nd bout, Chisora would be getting spoon fed mashed banana and cream in an Institution somewhere.

 

he's garbage

that will be enough these days

 

it's kinda horseshit, imo. i agree that the heavyweight division is in very poor shape, but most people know that the Klitschko's are the top guys and/or the champions. maybe they don't know which one holds which belts... but still, even in this country a good amount of people know its the Klitschko's

 

The Klitschkos are NOT well known here. Most people in this country would probably respond with "isn't he that boxer who's dating Hayden panettiere?" if you asked them who Vitali Klitschko was. Then they'd ask if he was going to fight Mike Tyson or Oscar De La Hoya next.

 

Sad but true.

 

I don't think that is accurate, at least not in Colorado. They definitely might confuse the brothers, but they know that they are the top of the division. They know the brothers are champions. Also people these days watch enough reality television and dancing with the stars bullshit to know that Tyson and DLH are retired now

 

Amir Khan is well know. He is a genuine World Superstar.

 

Vitali/Lewis would not have been as popular as it was if the Klitschko's were not known. They aren't as well-known as I would like them to be or as well-known as they should be, but that's because HBO took lemons (2 best known heavyweights ain't Americans) and instead of making lemonaid and doing what they do best (hype the shit out of fighters they have under contract), they took the lemons and put them into a drawer and tried to ignore them.

For example, Max claimed that Adamek was the best opponent Vitali had faced. Odlanier Solis would have beaten Adamek easily. While both of them had rather easy paths to a title shot, Solis is a heavyweight, Adamek isn't, and he is far more skilled than Adamek. I also think Gomez is better than Adamek by a measurable amount, as well.

The Klitschko's are great, great fighters, but eventually they will lose. HBO should be televising it when it happens. Everyone knows where they were when Douglas beat Tyson or when Foreman beat Moorer. The same should be the case when a Klitschko goes down.

As much as I like Lennox, I do not like it when fighters retire with a title rather than lose it in the ring. The goal shouldn't be to get rid of the Klitschkos through retirement, but rather have someone, anyone, step up and dethrone them. This is what Don King understood so well...if you keep getting shots at a title, eventually you will get a win. Better fighters lose to lesser fighters all the time.

 

Good point. Nowadays they might ask if Vitali was going to fight Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather Jr instead.

 

hehe smartass

 

WANTED:Someone Who Can Beat A Klitschko

Charles R. Saunders is the author of several books including Sweat and Soul: The Saga of Black Boxers in the Maritimes from the Halifax Forum to Caesars Palace, as well as the Imaro series of fantasy/adventure novels. Considered by many to be one of the leading authorities on boxing in Canada, he is the current Vice-President of Boxing for the Society of North American Sports Historians and Researchers :nono:

"The Towers of Power are still the men of the hour in boxing’s heavyweight division. On Saturday, Vitali Klitschko turned back the challenge of brave but out-gunned Tomasz Adamek, with the referee rescuing him in the 10th round. Even though the bout was fought in Adamek’s native Poland, the hometown crowd thanked the ref for stopping the slaughter.

So, the 40-year-old Klitschko keeps his WBC title. His defense of the green belt comes hard on the heels of younger brother Wladimir’s rout of David Haye earlier in the summer. Wladimir is now the heavyweight king of the IBF and WBO, and is also the WBA’s “super” champion.

Thus ends the great cruiserweight experiment. Both Adamek and Haye are former cruiserweight titlists – arguably two of the best since Evander Holyfield ruled that division back in the 1980s. The theory was that if these 200-pounders could put on another 15 or 20 pounds of muscle without losing their speed, they could pose problems for the aging Klitschkos, both of whom are over 6’6” and weigh 240 to 250.

That theory didn’t hold up in practice. By running and sliding to the canvas like an NFL quarterback trying to avoid a sack, Haye managed to last the full 12 rounds with Wladimir. Adamek at least tried to make a fight of it, but Vitali whupped him like he was the Pole’s daddy.

Long-suffering fight fans like to talk about how terrible the Klitschko-dominated heavyweight division is. But if the giant brothers came from Utah rather than the Ukraine, they would be the richest and most popular athletes in America today. And any American who is able to beat either or both of them would win not only a championship, but also a license to print greenbacks.

Alas, no such U.S. contender even peeks, never mind looms, on the horizon. As well, a look at the heavyweight Top 10 in The Ring magazine’s October 2011 edition shows no viable applicants from anywhere on the planet who’d be able to do the job.

The Ring recognizes Wladimir as champion and ranks Vitali as the No. 1 contender. Since the brothers have vowed never to fight each other, they are basically co-champions.

No. 2 is Adamek. He’s already applied for the job, and couldn’t handle it. After losing so decisively to Vitali, his chances of beating Wladimir are so slim that he ought to consider either retiring or dropping back down to cruiserweight.

Alexander Povetkin is No. 3. His decisive win over Ruslan Chagaev is a solid credential on his resume. But Chagaev is no Klitschko size-wise, and Povetkin himself isn’t much bigger than Adamek or Haye. Povetkin may not be ready for the job of dethroning a Klitschko. But if he wants to try, more power to him.

No. 4 is Haye. Although Haye has said he would retire at the end of October, he might want to attempt to erase the negativity of his non-performance against Wladimir Klitschko. But how? Fight Vitali? If Haye tried the elder Klitschko, he would get his head handed to him just as Adamek did.

No. 5 is Chagaev, who applied for the job three years ago and was stopped by Wladimir. Chagaev’s loss to Povetkin indicates that a future application against either Klitschko brother will be similarly rejected.

Eddie Chambers is No. 6. He lasted into the 12th round against Wladimir last year before being knocked cold in the waning seconds of the bout. Speed is Chambers’s game, but his best weight is only a few pounds over the cruiserweight limit, and that simply won’t get it done against a Klitschko.

No. 7 is Alexander Dimitrenko, who is just as big as the Klitschkos. But he lost a decision to the light-hitting Chambers, and was dropped by the smaller man in the bargain. That’s not a good line on the resume of someone who aspires to beat Vitali or Vladimir.

No. 8 is Dennis Boytsov, who is undefeated but untried. Choosing a Klitschko for one’s first major test in the ring is like a file clerk applying to be a CEO. Of course clerks can become CEOs, but not without working their way up the ladder. So far, Boytsov hasn’t done that.

Robert Helenius is No. 9. He made a statement with his recent KO win over former WBO champion Sergei Liakhovich. Helenius has Klitschko-like size, but he lacks experience. He should hold off on filing his application until he gets a few more significant bouts under his belt.

Rounding out the Top 10 is Chris Arreola, who was schooled and stopped by Vitali Klitschko a few years back. Arreola is showing a stronger commitment to the sport these days, and he has a puncher’s chance against either of the Klitschkos. But that chance didn’t help him against Vitali, and there’s not much reason to believe he’d do better against either brother now.

The pool of job applicants is rather shallow, isn’t it? There are, however, some good-sized prospects coming up, such as Tyson Fury and David Price of Britain, Deontay Wilder of the United States, Mariusz Wach of Poland, and Alexander Ustinov of Russia. But none of these young guns is even ready for a bout against one of the Top 10, let alone a Klitschko.

Still, one of them may eventually be the successful applicant to the job of Klitschko-beater – with the helping hand of Father Time."


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CDogg is right, I think - you mistakenly attribute the same nationalism to Americans as the UK, and it just does not hold true.

The Klitschkos are limited, boring fighters. America would not go ga-ga for them if they were from Utah and named Smith.

 

America hates Mormons.

If they were black and from Mississipi they would get far better press. Brothers who were Brothers. It would go down just fine.

Once, when I was a schoolboy, a teacher beat the shit out of a child who didn't do his homework. She beat him not because he didn't do the work, per se, but because he lied about why he didn't do it.

This kid was the shortest, fattest most indolent little cunt you could lay eyes on. When she asked him why he didn't do his homework, he stood there and said..."Because I had to go and get the buhher*" Then she just thumped his little fat head off.

People need to own up. They don't like the Klitschkos, they fantasize about seeing them getting beaten up. I don't like Amir Khan, I think he is an overrated, disrespectful Pakistani shitbag. He's thick and he thinks his shit don't smell. But I don't deny it {not liking him}

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* How an Irish farmers son pronounces "Butter". Buhher.[/I Damn, she beat his ass for that.

 

They dont like them because they have no draw to them in or out of the ring in American eyes, and any American perceived as similarly dull is treated the same way.

You are attributing a nationalism to the US it does not have. They may not have a history of embracing foreigners, but it is not because they are cheering all of their own. They arent.

 

Again, as with Steve_Dave, I will agree with you just to progress the discussion......now....let's assume the Americans simply disliked the Klitschkos on ground of taste, style, etc. Fine.

What then entitles them to enter into a general examination of the state of the division, claiming, repeatedly, even against a backdrop of 40,000 and 50,000 sell out fights, that something is wrong and the division needs to be fixed.

Surely they might conclude that, no, the Klitschkos are not for them, but that it is a World sport and what keeps the World game going is in everyones interest, if not to everyones liking.

Look at the timing of Farhoods inquisition. Just after Haye failed to turn the trick.

 

Yeah, like Larry Holmes, who was 10000000x better than either Klitschko, got so much love here in America.

You're an ignorant fuck.

You strike me as the 21st century European equivalent of an Ugly American; a sheltered, provincial young country boy who makes grand pronouncements on the culture of far away lands he doesn't know anything about. Replete with racism and xenophobia. Your Euro-hillbilly ass hates Amir Khan because he's Pakistani and would love him if he was white, and you can't grasp that most people here not only have different standards for judging fighters, but that they think yours are stupid. You're so fucking small-minded and dumb, you can't fathom that everyone else in the world doesn't think like your retarded ass.

You consistently evade logical refutations and think you're being a genius when you make idiotic abstract references to what you really mean. You constantly assign views to other people and then argue those views they never stated, in order to make it seem like your perspective is superior and/or you're winning an argument.

You're more persistently annoying and offensive than TLC and Double L combined. Your shit is seriously tired and lame. You're an annoying, useless cunt.

In conclusion: STFU.

 

I agree that the American press, and the people, can be insular to a fault. And I agree that too often they forget the world doesnt ent at their shores.

Where I dont agree is that there can be an informed, impartial analysis of the division which DOESNT conclude, popular or unpopular, it stinks. A fish rots from the head down, and the brothers, quite unremarkable fighters that they are, are very sadly well ahead of the worst single pack, IMO, in all of history.

 

Cunts are not useless. Unless you sew them up.

Now....I hope you said your prayers yesterday, for the day that was in it.

Khan is a cunt. He is disliked because he really can't fight, he acts all special, he gets a title shot 3 fights in from a crushing KO and then says he can't get a proper and fair break.

In short, put the needle and thread down.

 

It would appear that American ice is kept at lower temperatures. Again, I ask a simple question....why is it that every time a Klitschko wins, we got us another round of inquisitions?? It's like a fucking tribunal. It needs to be "examined". It warrants a closer look.

 

exactly

 

I guarantee you more people watched a fight like Larry Holmes versus Carl "The Truth" Williams on NBC than watched Lennox/Vitali

fucking gauarnteed, man

you're either 15 and don't remember when every guy in america knew who the heavyweight champ was, even if they were only casually interested or you are blatantly ignorant of how big a deal boxing once was in this country

 

Right, so Steve Farhood is writing articles to benefit a non-existent audience. I see.

 

your ignorance of this country is absurd

farhood is a "boxing writer" ... there used to be one at EVERY MAJOR NEWSPAPER IN THE COUNTRY... there are but a handful left because AMERICANS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SPORT in the least... more people watch POKER than watch boxing in this country... that is a laughable proposition even 20 years ago, when the sport was already starting to decline

besides, if nationalism is such a factor (IT TOTALLY ISN'T) then why would Farhood want Haye, a BRITISH GUY, to be the heavyweight champion??? You do realize that Lennox Lewis was the first Brit heavyweight champ since BOB FUCKING FITZSIMMONS, don't you? Brit and American are not interchangeable terms, man... Amir Khan may be a big dela in England... nobody here knows who the fuck he is

and mIKE, to save oyu the trouble of responding, fuck off... you live in a bubble on messageboards with Boxing fanatics... THOSE people know who these guys are the same way that there are pockets of maybe a million people who know who someobscure punk rock band is, the mainstream DOES NOT KNOW

 

ANYONE BUT KLITSCHKO!!!

 

and audience of a handful of HARDCORE FANS

seriously, get your head out of your ass... who reads BOXING MONTHLY??? 250,000 people??

that's a pin drop ... nobody CARES AT ALL

he might as well be writing for THE CURLING NEWS

 

Out of the 10 people that follow boxing, only 250,000 of them read boxing monthly.

You are being deliberately obtuse.

If you think that Max Kellerman, Teddy Atlas, Steve Farhood, Wally Matthews etc don't all sit around hoping either brother loses, just out of pure professional spite, then you are lost mate.

If it was simply, and nothing more, of a matter of taste, they would make their case once, and leave it at that.

But there they are. Sniping. Every fucking time.

You got a glorified sparring-partner in Margarito about to make a fortune for re-matching a guy he bludgeoned with loaded gloves......you got a guy like Victor Ortiz, who is, what, 1-2-1 in his last 4, about to make a fortune vs a guy who has retired twice in the past few years, you got ancient Erik Morales hanging in there with the guy who beat Ortiz.....and yet its the HW division where the "Problems" are. Its Klitschko we need to keep an eye on.

OK.