Is there any way Klitshkos could become ATGs?

Wladimir is way better than Vitali at getting knocked unconscious by cans.

 

Who knocked him unconscious?

 

semantics

 

That may or may not be true, but here is the problem for you. You know who wouldn't have that same KO% against the same opposition? Wlad. And that's the point here, Vitali's better than Wlad no matter how much you refuse to accept the reality of that. But by all means continue to argue how you wish things were rather than how they actually are.

 

pretty much

 

All Time Great

 

Theyre both mediocre. I wont spend pages defending Wlad.

 

:: ,.. that oughta give any Klitschko hater an erection, especially given Vitali's face in the background, , that's a beauty.

hno: To be fair though, the setback pics are a cheap shot,.. it can be done with anybody out there.

 

And that wasn't even the worst knock down, be glad I couldn't find the one where he was in a fetal position.

You're right this can be done to most anyone. However when it comes to Wlad even this picture doesn't truly capture how thoroughly outclassed, beaten, embarrassed and helpless he was in this fight. Especially since it was supposed to have been him dominating Sanders.

 

This is really a stupid thing to say. Even Holyfield's ko % at cruiserweight is behind Vitali's.

Holyfield was never a big puncher and never a knockout artist at heavyweight. Is prime Holyfield supposed to be the guy who left the cruiser division up until he fought Douglas when he went 7-0 (7)? Because his competition during that stretch is noticeably weaker than Vitali's.

 

Wait. Vitali is a big puncher and a knockout artist now?

 

Wait. Address the point about Holyfield, first.

 

Just for the record, Irish and Kauki you guys had me ing in this thread. And Irish I loved the Goodfellas angles you worked in there. So don't think that stuff is unappreciated guys.

 

I wasn't making any point about Holyfield. I'm interested in the characterization of Vitali as a knockout artist/big puncher.

 

Yes, I think the point I was making was missed.

 

for mikE - Ramonza's saying you don't have to be a big puncher or KO artist to have the kind of KO ratio Vitali does against his opposition, because Vitali isn't one

 

Are you fucking stupid? I'm going to with yes because you tend to say the most stupid shit on this forum by a long mile. And not by, just having fun stupid shit, I mean like you are somehow studied, 100% mean what you say and still say ridiculously stupid shit. Literally, make mIke look like Hut-Hut in comparison.

Watching all the boxing tapes in the world isn't going to help you not be a stupid fuck with the ability to use reasoning skills.

Protip: Sam Langford would not be able to knockout Nikolai Valuev, he'd in fact, lose miserably....probably within the first 3 rounds, and that's being generous.

 

Coming from the forum joke, I'll take that with a badge of honour.

 

This forum is in a bad way when I'm getting held up as the exemplar of common sense, now :laugh11:ray:

 

It's really only annoying because your stupidity is genuine....if it came from LOK or Hanz I would probably laugh and not give a shit, it's more of an issue that people take you seriously, though that probably won't last much longer with your continual nonsense that you post in here and in MM about how utterly fantastic anyone who fought before you were even in your father's ballsack was.

 

Charming.

And how seriously do they take you, TLC?

 

Then make your point and quit throwing in hyperbolic, distracting bullshit with it. You said "Hell, a prime Holyfield fighting that opposition would have the [ko%] record..."

That is bullshit. Complete bullshit and I called you on it. I would cut you some slack on it, but I'm so sick of dumphukdogg doing the same thing that I'm taking a stand, haha.

As to Vitali, you cannot get his ko% without being a KO artist and a big puncher. NOT with his number of fights against the level of competition he has fought. Vitali doesn't go all out to get early KO's...this last fight against Adamek is one of the few times I've seen him let the right hand go a lot. He is patient, wins rounds, and methodically beats the shit out of people. But he gets the KO's because he hits really, really fucking hard while he's doing it. I used to think his right hand was one of the biggest punches in boxing and I've backed off of that, but he is still very much a big puncher.

I go to stats because you (not necessarily you) dipshits just argue stupid shit without backing it up. It's true because I said it's true, a la cdogg.

It's not that easy to have a high ko% without being a big puncher and I would say 45 fights into a career fighting the caliber of guys Vitali has fought for at least 1/2 of it, it's impossible to have his KO% without being 1. a big puncher and 2. a ko artist.

We aren't talking about some bullshit Tyrone Brunson move to 'steal' a record; we are talking about a fighter who goes for wins first, ko's second, and yet always gets ko's.

And when he hasn't gotten the kayo...one time it was because he was fighting a very defensively capable fighter (Byrd) and had a bad shoulder for 8 rounds, one time it was because the fight was stopped 1/2 way through due to a cut and we'll never know what would have happened (Lewis), one time it was because he fought a guy who didn't try to win at all (Johnson), one time it was because he fought a big mother who just doesn't get stopped (Hoffman, stopped 1x, rd 12, against Dimitrenko, in 48 career fights), and the other time he put the guy into the hospital for 8 days (Briggs) in one of the most brutal, worst referee'd, worst cornered, performances I have ever seen in the context of letting the fight go on.

 

If he were a big puncher and a good finisher (even a good one, not great) he'd have finished that Briggs in two rounds, MikE. The corners & ref shouldnt even come into the equation. Are you of the opinion they would have had that Briggs (hell, any Briggs) been facing Tyson? Liston? Foreman? Louis?

You have asked me to make my point, so I shall make it again in black & white.

Anyone worth a lick could achieve all sorts of records against Vitalis opposition. Its putrid.

 

Vitali obviously hit with a degree power. It would be stupid to not call him a big puncher.

 

I wouldn't call him a big puncher, personally. Just exceptionally accurate which goes a long way.

 

Alright, look, I've never put you at the level of stupidity of cdogg, but you are dancing on his floor right now. Briggs already went the distance with Foreman, and all of the guys you named had fighters who went the distance with them of LESSER quality than Briggs WHEN they were in their prime. ALL of them. If you look at all of the people who went the distance with Vitali, otoh, I think Briggs is the worst guy on the list and the fact remains he ended up in the hospital for 8 f'ing days afterwards. Despite his juiced up brain protection.

So, what in the fuck are you talking about?

 

So why didn't Holyfield stop Bean? Why didn't Bowe do Hide in 2 rounds instead of 6, getting hurt repeatedly along the way? Why did Bowe need 6 knockdowns to Vitali's 2??? Why didn't Evander drop Larry Donald? Why didn't Bowe drop Larry Donald??? Why didn't Rahman cave in Sanders face the way Vitali did? Why didn't Holyfield and Tua and Golota beat Byrd down with their better power??? Why didn't Tommy Morrisson and Wlad and Sanders stop Purritty?? Why didn't Wlad stop Peter?? You got all these punchers who couldn't get a stoppage where Vitali did.

Your bitching about Vitali's comp.........Kirk Johnson was due to fight Lewis when Vitali got the 10 day call. Would Lewis have improved on the KO of Johnson???

You're dealing here with a guy who doesn't trust his body anymore, who has had repeated injuries- even before Lewis he had 2 major lay offs with injuries. Then he had the facial injuries, then a 4 year gap with knee injuries again. He doesn't even try to load up on shots and he is STILL stopping guys.

 

Stupid? Hardly. His brother has the punch (albeit gathering dust behind his jab).

 

It's official. Vitali has no power.

 

I apologise, but I honestly cannot make it any clearer than I have.