Question about Ortiz

I haven't seen the fight but some have said that Ortiz looked bigger then Floyd but felt that Floyd appeared to be the stronger guy. In the Berto fight Ortiz looked hella confident, strong and just mentally tough. He gets in the this fight and from what I have been reading wasn't quite as strong and appeared mentally weak. Do you guys think that Ortiz was using PED's for the Berto fight and had to get off since he was going to be thoroughly tested for this fight. I mean you watch the Berto fight and he got smacked with in my eye's harder shots but in the this fight he got hit with 2 clean shots but nothing compared to the Berto fight. Dunno what do you guys think? I'll Holla 5000

 

Floyd should fight Pacquaio.

 

if you havent seen the fight how do you know what he got hit with last night?

 

REED Spoke w/Bigdawg about the Fight Earlier...Not Sure Who Else he's Spoken To About It...Interesting Point he Brings Up...REED Thinks Berto DEFINITELY Landed HARDER Shots on Ortiz than what Floyd Managed, yet Ortiz Certainly DIDN'T Deal w/the Shots as Well, from Floyd...



REED:hammert:

 

i think ortiz's actions were due to him being frustrated with not being able to land his best shots on mayweather jr. during his career he has always managed to land his best punches on his foes.

 

I think for anyone to say Berto hit Ortiz harder than Floyd did is pretty inaccurate. I've heard that stated a few times and completely disagree.

In my eyes the shot landed by Floyd which put Berto on his butt looked significantly harder than the ones Berto dropped Ortiz with. On top of that Ortiz was totally defenseless with his hands down, looking towards the referree and mentally in a time-out mode. So he totally wasn't expecting to get hit right then.

I think people are looking too hard to try to label Ortiz a quitter in that fight. Yeah he has a history and he was getting his butt kicked but to be honest he never totally appeared to look like he wanted to quit for any consistent amount of time against Floyd IMO. There were spots I thought he appeared that way, but then he would look okay again.

Anyway that's how I saw it. So no I don't think Ortiz was on PED's, Berto is just such a huge drop off from Floyd Mayweather. Ortiz was obviously way in over his head against Floyd that to even state such a thing as PED's was the difference, is taking credit away from the brilliance of Mayweather.

 

People underestimate PBF's size & strength because maybe they still think of the 130lbs version.
He would have a significant advantage over Manny in size & strength if they ever fought.
In fact, that would be quite an influencial factor if they ever did fight.

 

I actually saw the hug then the 2 punches that were landed by Floyd. I'll Holla 5000

 

Floyd hit Ortiz WAY harder, and when he wasn't looking.

 

No shit watch the reply again. The shots Floyd lands are blazing fast with full leverage on an opponent that wasn't prepared to be hit.

Even with the circumstances, those punches by Floyd were impressive. The dude still has the fastest hands in boxing.

 

Floyd hits harder than people think....or his KO% suggests and I'm simply talking about weight of the punches. Then factor in how fast and accurate they are and Floyd can hurt people that supposed hard punchers can't.

For example:

Corrales walked through every punch that Frietas (a known banger) threw at him for 10 rounds and same with Castillo in that first fight (until the 10th). Floyd dropped COrrales five times.

I honestly believe that Floyd can and will hurt pacquiao worst than we've seen Manny hurt to date (since fighting at featherweight and above)...espcialy the Floyd of today that sits on his shots and is more agressive.

 

WTF are you talking about? Berto knocked Ortiz down twice. PBF couldn't hurt Ortiz at all. The only punch that hurt Ortiz was thrown when his arms were down and he wasn't expecting it. Anyone hit with a shot when they're relaxed and not expecting it is going be hurt.

PBF couldn't hurt Ortiz at all. That's the story.

 

You saw a different fight. Ortiz was hurt at least twice in the first 3 rounds. It was a matter of time before he was dropped and/or stopped.

 

I disagree. He was walking through PBF's shots, and for the time being, was undeterred. I'm not saying those shots would not have accumulated and ultimately stopped Ortiz. Maybe they would've.

The only guy noticably hurt in that fight, prior to the sucker-punch, was PBF.

It's too bad Ortiz is just so fucking dumb.

 

I agree Floyd is thought of i think as a lightweight..but he has pretty good power. and very accurate and fast and THAT makes a huge difference

 

Yeah, but Freitas wasn't sitting down on his shots against Chico at all, he was running that whole fight.

Floyd manages to get guys' attention and keep them honest with his sharpness and accuracy, but I don't think he hits very hard at 147.

Pacquiao is a different story, though. He and Floyd are about the same size, if anything Floyd has the size advantage there. He will very likely be able to hurt Pacquiao.

 

Freitas's power was hideously overrated... he faced a long list of nobodies weighing 150 pounds in Brazil against guys who had to make weight

 

Overrated or not, he was a puncher. We can agree on that. If Floyd can drop a guy five times who Fretas couldn't shake, if means that floyd has underrated power.

 

But the Floyd/Chico fight was at 130 lbs.. and again, Freitas ran that whole fight, he was scared shitless and wouldn't sit down on his shots. 147 lbers are obviously a lot bigger/stronger and Floyd is at a size disadvantage in almost every fight. As the HBO announcers mentioned, his KO ratio has dropped drastically since he went to 147.

 

Not only that but Corrales WAS weight drained. His chin was always shaky, but it looked more solid at 135+. That no doubt contributed to the knockdowns, and also that he being tagged with shots he didn't see etc, and just walking into them.

Sly - Floyd could punch pretty hard at 130 I agree. But again, at 130. Big fucking difference between 130 and welterweight.

His power is average at 147. He's not featherfisted, but he's not a puncher at 147.

Also :: at LG saying Floyd and Pacquiao are the same size. Floyd is clearly bigger, it's not even arguable. Watch both their fights with Mosley then tell me they're the same size.

 

this is what I said

no need to rush to the passionate defense of the characterization of Manny as the David to Floyd's Goliath

 

Floyd landed a sucker punch to someone who wasn't looking. Ridiculous argument. Floyd had landed about 100 punches before that which did nothing to Ortiz because he was braced for them.

 

When did Ortiz hurt Mayweather?

 

When he head-butted him.

Other than that he didn't.

 

what good fighter did Freitas knock out?

 

are you suggesting that Frietas couldn't punch?

 

No, I am suggesting he was not a BIG puncher the way he was advertised... he never so much as budged Joel Casamayor

 

It doesn't matter whether he could punch or not because

1. Nobody can punch when they're running hell-for-leather like a scared rabbit, as Freitas was for the entire Corrales fight

2. The Mayweather-Corrales fight was at 130 lbs, which is not a good barometer of how hard a puncher Floyd is at 147.

But "like I said before," Floyd definitely has enough pop to stop Pac in his tracks and hurt him.