Jose Luis Castillo Diego Corrales (yeah, I know) @ 135 Dmarcus Corley Arturo Gatti @ 140 Zab Judah Carlos Baldomir Juan Manual Marquez Ricky Hatton @147 Old Shane @ 147 for Oscar Rusty Oscar @ 154 for Shane Go fight by fight with picks if you want, or just point out in which fights either guy would fare significantly less or more impressively. I personally suspect they'd have negotiated this group of fighters MORE impressively.:scratcher:
Both De La Hoya and Mosley.... Beat Castillo by Decision...10-2 and w/ only one try..Mosley would be a bit closer because of styles. They beat Corrales...both by KO everyone else?? Really??....If either one of them losses two rounds...i would be surprise... Prime Oscar would pound on old Mosley.... Prime Mosley would outwork old/rusty De La Hoya..maybe even stop him late..
I think Hoya knocks out Castillo (with difficulty) and Corrales (a little easier, but getting off the deck to do so) ... stops Corley mid-rounds, Pancakes Gatti in 4 tops... Gets Judah out of there before the midway point... Stops Baldomir late while winning every second... Gets Marquez out of there in about 4 rounds and beats Hatton all over the place, stopping him within 6... he finally gets a win via very easy decision against Mosley (though I thought he won the rematch, frankly) Mosley decisions Castillo (again, not easily) and tattoos Corrales (though stopping him a bit later than Hoya) ... Has some awkwardness with Corley but wins a very clear decision... Hammers Gatti bloody, stopping him within 6... Has a lot more toruble with Judah than Oscar would, but gets him to run for his life and wins a commanding decision... overwhelms Baldomir... runs over Marquez and stops Hatton by the mid rounds... he stops Hoya
I've concluded that it's useless to even argue any more... Did you see TLC's (character or not) analysis back and forth with me in the Hearns/Froch thread? That's not far off the mark with what we are talking about on a daily basis here... people are that nuts We are being told essentially that "If you don't have Floyd Mayweather top 10 P4P all-time, you are a hater and/or Bert Sugar" ... This excercise illustrates that two fighters that NONE OF THESE GUYS would put anywhere near their top ten would very easily duplicate and maybe even improve on Mayweather's results... so what the fuck?
Castillo is a tough fight for both, especially lightweight Oscar. Other than that (and Diego's one punch power) these bouts are cake walks for the favourite.
Haha, absolutely. I admit it took me a while to get the point of the thread ;) But yeah, none of them would stand much chance against either fighter, so it really does put it in perspective. Shame really, that for a guy of Floyd's talent level and skill, that's his resume, and even now age 34 he fucking refuses to test himself. I want to see him fight Martinez, if not Pacquiao.
Shows how ridiculous Mayweather's claim to the top-20 or so of all-time is. The reality is not only would both these men beat all of Mayweathers victims, theyd be near to even money in their primes AGAINST Mayweather.
You all shit on the current weigh-in system and how fighters take advantage of it. Then when it suits you, you laud fighters for exploiting it and criticize fighters who don't. Aside from the fact that I think Castillo/De La Hoya would be a close and competitive fight at 135, De La Hoya ate one orange a day for weeks and cut a shitton of water weight to make 135. Mosley wasn't much different. You're talking about guys who were big welterweights in MODERN PARLANCE, which means that they're really middleweights or super middleweights. Floyd's ring weight last Saturday was 150 lbs, that's probably about what Jose Luis Castillo weighed when they fought. De La Hoya weighed 160 when he fought Arturo Gatti. I could go on for days with that shit. I guess the path Floyd should have taken to earn everyone's approval would have been to dry out to 122 at the start of his career and fight Morales, Barrera, and Hamed at super bantam. No one here (that's reasonable) would doubt his ability to beat them all, and that would have made him a legend. Right?
And hey, while we're shitting on hypocrisy, why don't we also do De La Hoya or Mosley (prime) vs David Diaz at 135 De La Hoya or Mosley of 1999 vs De La Hoya of 2009 De La Hoya or Mosley (prime) vs the no-longer-undefeated Hatton at 140 De La Hoya or Mosley (prime) vs Antonio Margarito of 2011 coming off a KO loss De La Hoya or Mosley (prime) vs Joshua Clottey () De La Hoya or Mosley (prime) vs Mosley of 2011 De La Hoya or Mosley (prime) vs Cotto coming off a plaster-fisted beatdown The bias on this forum is ridiculous sometimes ..
Floyd would have always beaten Shane, but yeah I think a prime Oscar would be at least even money with Floyd.
Sure, let's make Mosley and Oscar 5'5 and spending half their careers at flyweight too though. Idiot.
That's kind of my point. Idiot. Stupidity is always all the more amusing when it's accompanied by aggression. Also, @"half their career" .. Manny spent 4 years at flyweight, most of them as a teenager, and he himself was a good example at that weight of a fighter draining ridiculously to reach unnaturally small weights. Hence his KO loss before moving up.
The point that Floyd's a bit smaller than Prime Oscar & Shane's a fair one -it contributes to why Floyd's a shade better/greater than either man. But still, the point of the thread stands.....
Pac & Floyd are both a LOT smaller than Oscar and Shane were at WW imo .. I agree that both have subpar competition at WW, which is why I want to see them fight each other. The fact that they're both "real" welters adds considerably to the appeal for me, and it's why I don't have any interest in seeing Floyd fight say, Sergio Martinez. Martinez is too much for either Floyd or Pac. I added the Pac thing just to keep the Pac huggers/Floyd haters like MWS in check
Except your point is null and void because Floyd and Shane are more or less the same size, but Pacquiao is significantly smaller than both of them, idiot.
He'll lie through his teeth to defend Floyd's rather pathetic 147 resume, but deep down he knows full well a prime Oscar and Shane would have wiped their arses with all of them.
WTF are you talking about? Shane regularly weighs 160 in the ring for fights at 147. Floyd regularly weighs 148-150. Pacquiao's ring weight for the Margarito fight was 148. What measure are you using to determine they're the same size? Dumbfuck.
Except for DLH having a relatively rough time with JL Castillo at lightweight (though no doubt he'd still get a clear decision) both Oscar and Mosley at their primes would've ran roughshod over most (if not all) of these guys.
Pbf is an all time great welterweight. Not because his resume or achievements compare favorably to his peers. But rather because of his ability to defeat mediocre competition while managing not to gain too much weight after he weighs in.
