To what extent has Floyd proven himself?

Confined to quantitative measures, how close would you say PBF has come to proving he is as good as he says (he claims to be the best to ever put on the gloves)?

 

Let's see just how good he is IF Pacquiao is in the ring with him.

 

sure fire hall of famer

 

I voted for 80-100 % since it was reserved for me. ::

Truthfully, it is of my humble opinion that he has proven himself 100% years ago when he was still in his prime by facing the greatest threats in his weight classes: Corrales, Castillo, De La Hoya (the same Oscar who YOU had picked to annihilate him and who you said PBF would never fight).

 

Exactly. In other words, the most he can have proven himself is 20%, given he's opted for years not to confront his biggest challenge.

I know it's beating a dead horse, but I think it clarifies things when we're forced to put a number to it. And when it comes to PBF, he's proven himself to be no more than 20% as good as he claims to be.

 

that was true at 130 alone

 

a.k.a. your forte'

the first step on the road to recovery is admitting your problem.

 

he had fought some great fights, a lot of good fighters and he has won every time out

 

word.

42-0, 5 weight classes...proves himelf.

 

Let's just say that Floyd could have done a hell of a lot more. He's basically been a Cherry picker and a scavenger since 2002. If anyone believes Floyd did all he could do to prove his greatness, then there is no helping you.

Great TALENT, but he left a lot to be desired in his post LW career.

 

Floyd is ONE Fight Away from Being BEYOND Reproach...Pacquiao's the ONLY Hurdle Left...Not Sue what % that Puts him in, but he's MOSTLY Proven, for Sure...



REED:kidcool:

 

nonsense.

All I keep hearing is that he didn't fight:

Cotto
Williams
Margarito

Big deal.

Cotto had already been badly hurt by Corley at 140lbs and is a small Welterweight.

Margarito is a bum. Mosley knocked him out with ease in the fight preceeding he one with Mayweather.

Mayweather took on Margarito's conquerer and dominated him.

Mayweather took on De la Hoya, a 154lbder just got rid of Mayorga in 6 easy rounds. De La Hoya = Greater challenge than Cotto & Margarito

Williams = One hit wonder.

 

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That's a short clip in slow motion (which makes it seem worse than it was).

Look at when Corley hurt Cotto. :: Not even close.

 

If PBF (or any self ascribed greatest of all time) waits around long enough, every last one of his challengers (who unlike him are actually fighting) will lose (including Pacquiao). Will we then have to hear from the likes of D&M that he needn't have faced Pacquiao in the first place? Since he went on to lose?

 

^^

 

50% - 80%



at 130-135 he proven himself....walking the walk of greatness. Since then he has been an opportunistic whore....

 

Pretty much. Since he beat Hatton, I've not seen much to like in Floyds overall work.

 

bingo

I already rate him an all-timer at 130... He was only at 135 briefly, but he was obviously excellent there... it's only since then that I am a little less convinced... at least not convinced to the point of rating him top 10 all-time the way many here do... if he beats the one perceived threat left (pacquiao) then to me there is nothing left to be said... he's no worse than top 20 all time at that point, and certainly an arguable top ten

 

that's where I'm at

he's beyond reproach at those weights

anybody saying otherwise is a nut

 

Agreed.

The funny thing though is that IMO...his most dangerous opponent to date; the most formidable the one who had the best chance to knock him out going into the match was Oscar De La Hoya. Even Floyd's dad wanted him to stay far away from that match and predicted a De La Hoya victory. Guys like DOUBLE L (AKA LoveLand) predicted that De La Hoya would knock him out and that Floyd would never take the fight in the first place and even the old wise sage, MUZSE, noted the distinct possibility of a De La Hoya victory by KO.

Why isn't Floyd, who started off at 130lbs, given credit for facing and beating a man comfortable at 154lbs, with known power and combination punching and boxing ability who had knocked out both Vargas and Mayorga at this weight among other accomplishments?

De La Hoya, at the time and weight that Floyd fought him was more formidable than both Corrales and Castillo.

"anybody saying otherwise is a nut" (Copywright Cdogg187, 2011)

 

He's proven as a fighter. But as far as 'walking the walk' goes, we all know what he needs to do to get beyond that 70% threshold.

 

Whereever Floyd lands regardless of the outcome of a Pacquaio match I can't see how Manny doesn't rate higher than him historically. If you're going top 20 or 'arguably' top ten for Floyd then Manny's a top five guy.

Personally, I don't rate floyd above Leonard (and I hate Leonard more than Floyd) especially considering Ray had fewer fights than Floyd yet he managed to fight Duran twice (I discount the third fight), Hearns twice and Hagler. Plus Wilfredo Benitez. Ray fought Hearns, Duran (twice) and Benitez by the age of 24 and all of those guys were in their respective primes as well.

That's incredible.

 

its great, but when mayweather jr was still a young, hungry fighter he didnt have those options available.

 

Where did Oscar start off? In or around 130 too. What age was Oscar when he fought Floyd? How committed was Oscar when he fought Floyd?

 

ODH begun at 130 too. Mosley begun at 135. Cotto started at 140. At some point, people like you have to accept that PBF is a welterweight. And that he's not Stanley Ketchel in there, fighting Jack Johnson. He's a full-fledged welterweight. Accept it and move on.

As far as ODH, PBF proved he's not as fragile as many would've guessed by going the distance with him. But the fact he wasn't stopped by ODH, given what he did do (or what he did not do I should say), proved little else. When ODH jabbed, he won rounds. When he pressured PBF, he won rounds. If you ask me, either ODH let PBF win that fight, or PBF let ODH be competitive. Either way, it didn't look like a real fight to me. But that's speculation. I fully recognize that. So what do I have to go on? When it comes to the ODH victory? What I have is a rather strange looking fight in which PBF failed to do any real damage, but ODH, though effective when he was active, whether it was due to his stamina (age) or not, appeared to stop trying. It just wasn't an inspiring performance. That's for sure. So while PBF's winning proved me wrong in the sense he turned out to be more durable than I thought, it didn't prove much because of ODH's apparent non-effort.

 

It's amazing how Sly's unconditional support for RJJ has lived on in defense of PBF -the same battery of rationalization and twisted logic

 

This is all just a bunch of excuses. Doesn't change the fact that he COULD and SHOULD have fought more often and against better fighters.

 

Fighting De La Hoya and then retiring ERASED the need for Floyd to have to fight Cotto, Margarito or Williams for legacy sake....because De La Hoya was a better and greater fighter than any of those mentioned....and in addition to that it was at 154lbs.

Much in the same way that Leonard fighting and beating Hagler and retiring erased the need for him to fight Nunn, Toney, Barkley, Benn, Eubank and whoever else in the late 80s.

 

Fucking nonsense.

Only in your delusional world is a guy a legend for the guys he DOESN'T face.

Leonard's legacy is based on who he fought and when he fought them. When he stepped to Terry Norris, who was the best at 154 at the time, he got his ass handed to him.

The one thing I look forward to with floyd is what has happened to leonard and oscar, guys notorious for cherry picking...all finished up with embarassing defeats against guys they would have beaten in their prime.

Oscar beats floyd if he's six years younger...even the oscar that beat Vargas beats floyd.

You can't compare the ledgers of leonard and floyd...I doubt castillo and hatton are hall of fame fighters...nor is corrales.

So yes...floyd needed to fight cotto and margarito when they were at their best because that's what great fighters do.