To what extent has Floyd proven himself?

Cotto would have beat the DLH that Floyd fought, Margarito would have too. It doens't matter though, it's pointless to argue with you about Floyd. He can do no wrong in your eyes, you defend his every move.

That's why i basically just skip right over your posts these days.

 

:::bears:

 

This is complete and utter horseshit, all of it, and no matter how many times you are schooled on it you still repeat it

Cotto/Margarito/Williams were seen as the legit 147 elite

De La Hoya was seen as a part-time fighter with a questionable dedication to the sport who hadn't been in the ring in a year and had lost 3 of 5 (4 of 5, if you think he got a gift against Sturm as many did)

Cotto was unbeaten, Margarito was on a winning streak since dropping a TD to Daniel Santos, and Williams got himself in the mix in a big way by beating him a couple of months after the Mayweather/Hoya fight... Mayweather never so much as said any of their names...

You are comparing him to Leonard??? Well here's a history lesson for you:

1) Michael Nunn did not become a real big name, a major player, until 1989 when he knocked out Sumbu Kalambay in one round... that was two years after the Hagler fight... Prior to that, he was seen largely as an up-and-comer who had one of the alphabet trinkets-- and that was in the year AFTER the Hagler fight... At the time of the Hagler fight, Nunn was little more than a well thought of prospect, nothing more

2) James Toney??? Are you serious right now?? he TURNED PRO a YEAR AFTER the Hagler fight!!!! You have to be fucking kidding bringing him up and thinking it works as an analogy for Mayweather's ABSOLUTE AVOIDANCE of risking anything against Cotto/MArgarito/Williams... Toney was virtually unknown to all but the most hardcore boxing fans when, while ranked NUMBER FIVE, he got a title shot at Michael Nunn and as a big underdog, knocked him out... Leonard had already LOST TO TERRY NORRIS three months earlier!!!

3) Barkley... as if Leonard couldn't beat him, ugh ... Anyhow, he was a nobody at the time of the Hagler fight and then the year after scored a huge upset over Hearns before losing to the same Roberto Duran that Leonard decisioned 11-1 or so

4) Benn was a fucking NOBODY at that time, only the English cared about him... he'd had only a hadful of pro fights at the time of the Hagler fight and he never beat ANYONE OF NOTE until 1990 when he beat Doug DeWitt and Iran Barkley

5) Eubank had engaged in FIVE professional fights at the time of the Hagler fight... Like Benn, only English fans thought him anything special at all at the time Leonard was still a viable fighter... As a matter of fact, you could definitely make the case that Eubank had ZIP as a resume until late in 1990 when he beat that very same Nigel Benn

Accusing Leonard of ducking or avoiding any of these men is OBSCENE and you should be disgusted with yourself for continuing to say this same shit over and over when the facts clearly show you to be blatantly, 100% incorrect

 

cdogg, deep down inside Sly knows that he's talking nonsense. He knows.

 

one can only hope::

I like the guy, he's nuts but I like him

 

50-80%

Great boxer who should have done more and must fight Pacquiao in 2012.

The fight is long overdue. Floyd cries about not getting respect, but can't come to an agreement to fight the one guy who would give him universal respect.

 

I've said this once today...sly is a fan of floyd, not of boxing. All of his arguments are designed to praise floyd at all costs.

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He's due in to say he was kidding or pressing buttons.

 

Mayweather jr clearly wanted no part of margarito or williams. Delahoya was a rubbish opponent. To say mayweather jr avoided cotto is horseshit, however.

 

2 out of 3

rather than the 0 for 5 Sly threw up there for Ray Leonard

 

Yep.

I don't know if Oscar was rubbish, but the non-idiots all picked Floyd to win that fight without giving it much thought.

 

What do you mean by 2 out of 3?

 

Margarito, Williams, Cotto

he clearly had no interest in going anywhere near two of those guys

consequently, I never really accused him of ducking Cotto, only mentioned that Cotto would have been a better opponent than Hoya

 

Gotcha :bears:

 

no doubt, sly swings from floyds testicles with the best of them...

 

50-80.

The timing of his "retirements", his reluctance to seek out the greatest challenges available in order to prove himself truly great, & his fear of Manny (& cynical attempt to discredit him), count against him.

Having said that, he really is one of the most amazing talents of all time, which is why as a boxng fan, I find him frustrating.

 

i'm not a big mayweather fan, but he's one of the best fighters i've ever seen.

 

They say I swing from Floyd's testicles...but you used to use Shane Mosley's semen as mouthwash.

 

Gross

 

BULLSHIT revisionist history.

At the time Floyd signed to fight De La Hoya, Cotto was NOWHERE in the 147lbs division. Williams was unknown. Margarito was the "vivian harris" of the division: never proved anything but calling out the elite just so that people know his name and stop ignoring his mediocre ass. I'll give you Margarito, at best, but the other two are simply bullshit. In the eyes of 99% of boxing peeps...De La Hoya presented a far stiffer challenge than Margarito.

No. De La Hoya was seen as still close to prime and very dangerous given that his last fight was a blowout of Mayorga.

Cotto was nowhere, Margarito was as relevant as Vivian Harris was at 140lbs when he was calling out Floyd and Williams, by your own admission,wasn't a factor until after Floyd had retired.

Bring it!

1. Nunn was mentioned as a possible Leonard opponent in the year after beating Hagler. No different to Williams being mentioned in the year after Floyd retired.

Ok, I concede the toney Point. ::

Whether Leonard could beat him or not is irrelevant. I could say "Margarito...as if Mayweather couldn't beat him, ugh". The whole point that everyone is making is that Mayweather should have fought these guys whether he'd be favoured or not.

And yes, Barkley scored the upset and became a known fighter just a year after Hagler-Leonard. Cotto and Williams were only relevant at 147lbs AFTER Floyd had already fought De La Hoya and retired. We're only talking about the difference of months. The point is...at the time of the mega fight before a quick retirement, Cotto and Williams were as irrelevant as Barkley and Nunn. AFTER the fight and when the Leonard/Mayweather came back....Mayweather chose to fight Hatton and Leonard chose to fight.....LALONDE (::) instead of the Barkley's Nunn's, Cotto's and Margaritos.

EQUIVALENT.

Agreed. But using him to illustrate the folly of making Cotto and williams relevant at the time of the De La Hoya fight.

Sure. Same as Benn. But my point is....if Leonard could come back and Fight Lalonde, a Hearns that was destroyed by Barkley and an old fat Duran....he could have instead challeneged himself by fighting Benn, Eubank and others in the same timeframe....IF we are using the same stupid logic that people are using with Floyd vis a vis the other fighters in the post De La Hoya environment.

But I'm not doing that motherfucker...I'm showing that it is analogous and that people like you are inconsistent with your criticism of Floyd...as it's the same thing leonard did.

These are the facts:

Leonard fought Hagler and Retired.
Floyd fought De la Hoya and Retired.

Leonard came back and fought Lalonde instead of Barkley or Nunn.
Floyd came back and fought Hatton instead of Cotto or Williams.

Leonard then fought Hearns who looked damaged after the Barkley loss.
Floyd fought Marquez as a warm up and then fought Mosley (who had beaten Margarito)

Leonard fought short old fat Duran
Floyd fought Ortiz

If Floyd is being criticized for not squeezing in fights with Cotto, Margarito or Williams between all of those retirements and comeback fights...then Leonard should have sqqueezed in Nunn, Barkley and Benn.

It's simple. I'm merely EXPOSING the inconsistency of the Floyd haters!

Destruction has Spoken!!

 

You aren't exposing anything,,, all of the above is nonsense

 

Is Sly actually Floyd Mayweather?

 

Busted! :scared2:

 

Incorrect. It's history, knowledge and keen analytical insight.

 

Nah...REED Doubts if Floyd Types All that Much...& Since we ALL Know "Legacy DON'T Pay Bills", WHY Would Floyd Feel Compelled to DEFEND his on a Boxing Website...

There's the OFF Chance that Sly is Leonard Ellerbe, but he's Definitely NOT Floyd...

REED:Lok:

 

Truly busted.:scared2:

 

It is, in fact, the opposite of all three

 

nonsense. You can't rebutt it simply because you know that you're being hypocritical. Floyd, in fighting De La Hoya and retiring and then coming back and fighting sporadically and choosing Hatton, Marquez, Mosley etc did no worse than Leonard fighting Hagler and retiring and then coming back and fighting sporadically and choosing Lalonde (::), Washed up Hearns and Washed up Duran.

 

The Hagler win > anything Floyd has done since post "retirement"

Other than that you could maybe make a case that things are close to equal.

 

Of course it will be said for eternity that Leonard beating Hagler is far greater than Mayweather beating Oscar. I agree also, but that's not the point. Hagler was the pinacle of Leonard's career (from Ray's perspective) and Oscar was the pinnacle of Mayweather's career (from Floyd's perspective).

Since those pinnacle fights both fighters behaved the same way. Floyd behaved better actually (opponent wise).

 

Pretty damn sad if a half retired shot Oscar is the pinnacle of Floyd's career.