ALFREDO ANGULO vs. JAMES KIRKLAND, Nov. 5th...

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EPIC Slugfest, Winner by KO...Can't Wait to See it...



REED:Lok:

 

Yes, good fight, made all the better by the fact that a loss for either man is pretty fatal, so they should fight to the death now, for our delectation.

I think Angulo will win, if Kirklands chin is as bad as we think it is.

 

I haven't seen Kirkland in the ring since his shock loss to Nobuhiro Ishida.

How has he looked since that loss?

 

He's Looked like the Old Kirkland, Though the Fights were Against Guys MADE to Order for him...



REED:Lok:

 

Bye bye Kirkland.

This is gonna be a slaughter.

 

Angulo SHOULD B Favored, but as EASY as he is to Hit, U CAN'T Completely Rule Kirkland Out Here...

EITHER Guy Could Stop the Other Early...EITHER Guy Could Get Hurt THEN Stop the Other...EITHER Guy Could Get Dropped, Cut, etc...The ONLY Certainty is that this Bout WON'T Go the Distance...




REED:fightme:

 

Angulo KO 1

 

Agreed.

Angulo aint anything special but this has cash-out written all over it.

Strange match making for both guys actually.

 

agree. why exactly is kirkland on HBO after that embarrassing loss to a nondescript japanese palooka?

 

N the Last 14 Months, Angulo's had 1 Fight Against a Non-Descript Opponent...Kirkland's Been ALOT Busier in that Timeframe, but has Faced Non-Descript Opponents HIMSELF (Even in LOSING)...

3 YEARS Ago, it was Thought that 1 or BOTH of these Cats Would've @ Least FOUGHT for a World Title by Now, but it Hasn't Happened...They've Both Basically Been STAGNANT...There's an Air of DESPERATION in Both Camps & Rightfully So...

The WINNER of this Fight is Right Back in the Thick of the World Title Picture...& if it's an Entertaining Fight, the Loser ISN'T Necessarily "Done" in the Scheme of Things...Instead of MILKING Both of these Cats, as Gary Shaw Did, Golden Boys Throwing them in there TOGETHER...




REED:Lok:

 

really? i think angulo will win easily and it will prove nothing. and he still wont be able to fight here.

 

REED Knows Kirkland's Limitations, but Angulo is AVAILABLE to B Hit as Well...If he was TAMED by the Power of Cintron, Kirkland Can HURT him...It All Depends on Who LANDS 1st, but Even Then, the HURT Fighter Can Quickly Reverse the Tide w/a Single Shot...

REED Gives Kirkland a 40% Chance of Winning...



REED:Lok:

 

kirkland was beat down by a light hitting japanese dude. he may have left his recuperative powers in the penitentiary. im just not intrigued at all by this one.

the cintron loss was disappointing as far as angulo is concerned. the guy is a pretty average fighter for the most part, but i put no stock in that fight. the guy drove from california to florida the week of the fight::

 

I think the most overrated part of Kirkland's game is his punching power. I think after the first few ronds he's pretty much done.

Kirkland starts fast, Angulo starts slow as Angulo accelerates, Kirkland slows down then gets run over.

 

Neither guy is much to write home about, But I have to think that Kirkland's style is the only type of style that really allows Angulo to win fights... he's basically just got to be able to take it on the chin better than Kirkland does, and as of right now, I'd have to say I am pretty convinced he can... Kirkland probably comes out blasting, but I think he's getting knocked the hell out in no more than three rounds

 

Why is there such desperation? I don't doubt neither guy could use some "big" money quickly. Is it just that though?

 

Both Guys R just "Treading Water", @ This Point...Going NOWHERE Fast, in their Careers...BOTH of them Could Use a Win of THIS Magnitude...It's a RISKY Fight for Both, but the Winner Probably Gets a Title Shot Early 2012...




REED:mj:

 

As fans, we really need to stop discounting fighters on the basis of one loss, or even two. Kirkland lost. We should be happy. Had he not lost, this fight never could've been made. And let's not forget that Angulo has a big fat L on his record to Cintron of all people. Anyway, point is, if we insist on dismissing fighters because of a loss, we will continue to see the big fights not get made. People need to stop being complicit in HBO's little super-star of the month game wherein a fighter is written off for one loss, and others are rewarded for undefeatedness against unworthy opposition.

 

Should be fun while it lasts. Looking forward to it.

 

He's an identiafable name, and is here as the B-side for this fight.

Angulo drew nearly 20,000 fans in Mexico for his last fight. HBO couldn't wait to give him the date, and Kirkland was actually the 3rd or 4th choice as an opponent.

But because he was available (and permitted to travel outside of the U.S.) and the other guys weren't, boxing gets to cross a fight off of its bucket list - a fight that HBO gets to pay far less than if both fighters remained hot.

 

I agree with this, to a degree. I think most saw that there was always more upside to Angulo than to Kirkland. That still remains the case.

That said, I don't discount Kirkland based on the one loss, but how shitty he looked in the preceding comeback fights that bordered on being fixed.

His camp claims that it wasn't the same JK, that he was dropping massive amounts of weight too close to fight night and more concerned with getting laid than getting in fighting shape. Now back with Wolfe, we're supposed to see the Kirkland of old rather than a Kirkland who already looks old.

Me? I see this as Golden Boy being able to cash out Kirkland while biding its time for Angulo in figuring out the next move in his career. If G truly believed in Angulo, then there's no reason why a fight couldn't have been made with Lara, whom they also promote.

A lot of people get on Vanes Martirosyan turning down the fight, but give Lara a pass. The truth is that both were offered purses G knew (hoped) would be rejected, to clear the road for this fight being made. Kirkland being allowed to leave home was the only hurdle.

Anyway, like you said, it's a fight we were denied while they were both unbeaten, and should be just as much fun now as it would've been 2-3 years ago. The relevance changes (for the worse) but should still be fun for however long it lasts.

 

A 40% chance of winning REED? Really? ::

Obviously from the prediction championships, you're pretty good at picking fights, but I give Kirkland about a 0.5% chance of winning, and that's being generous based on Angulo's inactivity and losing to Cintron.

As you know I've never rated Angulo at all, but he's much better than Kirkland.. Better technique, better defense (not saying much), harder punch, much better chin, more experience etc.

Even if he did underestimate Ishida and had an off night, it's not like he just got outboxed, he got destroyed in 1 round by a fighter with a 25% KO ratio. If not much else, Angulo has a pretty meaty punch.

I'll be shocked if Kirkland sees round 4.

 

Angulo isn't very good, but Kirkland not only sucks, his style is exactly what Angulo wants to see. Unless Kirkland surprises us all by pulling a Barrera, I expect Angulo to knock him out. Should be fun while it lasts, though.

 

I agree with the sentiment of this post but it doesn't apply here. Kirkland didn't just lose, he got demolished by an unheralded fighter with a 25% KO ratio. He's also looked pretty crap in all his post prison fights.

 

He needs Man Wolfe chasing him around. He needs more sparring sessions with guys he can hit after they pass out. He needs to get that truck out again, the one with the heavy bag, and run for endless miles hitting that bag.

Truth of the matter is that James never really cracked that hard, or maybe Brian Vera is the illegitimate love-child of George Chuvalo and Martina Navratilova. Hard.

Lacking true power, and being an aggressive, front-foot dude with not much in the line of a back of tricks, he was always going to get hit, and having a chin would have been a major help.

He seems to have no chin, or maybe there is something we don't know...maybe he was beaten up in prison or cracked in the head with a pipe. We don't know.

Angulo is no great shakes......anyone who loses to the Airborne Amphibian can't be that good, but Kirkland might just be his sort of fight. He lacks the size or reach of Cintron.

 

Ive favored Angulo in this matchup for YEARS.

He has by FAR the better chin, is a bigger puncher, with more technique and skill. And yes, Angulo even has a better DEFENSE.

Angulo within 4. But he might very well finish Kirkland in 1 or 2.

 

great fight! I'm curious to see Angulo under Nacho Bernstein. He won't turn the slugger into a boxer but he can tweak some things and make him less reckless.

 

No Offense to Those w/DISSENTING POV's, but REED Thought it'd B Cool to BUMP This Thread, in Light of Last Saturday...



REED:fightme:

 

Absolutely! The degree to which Kirkland was written off was obviously way off base. The guy redeemed himself big time.

Not only did he stun everyone by beating Angulo, but he came back from a hellacious beating to do so. Kirkland even showed some decent defense in there which completely surprised me.

What was most impressive about Kirkland though, besides his display of heart, was his offense. He was varied in his attack, achieved amazing leverage on his left-hands, threw accurate and devastating shots, and varied the amount of power on his shots in order to set up big ones and not punch himself out (a concept obviously lost on Angulo).

I'm surprised there hasn't been more chatter for a rematch. If Angulo doesn't go in there and punch himself out in the first round? It's a completely different fight, no?

 

What a slugfest! Caught it last night, and it was damn impressive. Kirkland really regained his focus under Ann Wolfe. Man, she would knock the shit out of slystaff.