Seeking a STR8 answer re Pac-PBF

I still haven't seen a STR8 resonse to the question of what has & hasn't been agreed to regarding the drug testing issue.

In another thread, at the post PBF-Ortiz press conference, a reporter tells PBF that Pacquaio AGREED to all the testing..
PBF resonded without adressing the comment at all.
why didn't PBF just say."no he hasn't" & then explain whay he has & hasn't agreed to?

As far as I've read, Pac agreed to the 14 days which was PBF's original (after the fight was already agreed to), unprecedented stipulation, but because Pac hadn't agreed to it the first time, PBF deemed that consession too late, & changed the goalposts.

I guess he looked back on his first attempt to clean up boxing & decided it didn't go far enough...

Then I read from Arum that Manny has agreed to all tests & the testing is no longer an issue.
Then I read people here saying that's B.S.

Now when I hear it put to PBF quite directly, he responds indirectly.

Can somebody present some kind of clear cut evidence as to what has/ hasn't been agreed to..?

 

You know how this ends up, don't you???athetic:athetic:athetic:

 

Well Irish, I'm hoping it ends up with me being a little bit more clear about what the situation is.

For all the bold assertions flying around on this board, every time I ask somebody to provide some tangible evidence as to what the story is, the silence is deafening.

 

Do you have a youtube of the interview/presser???

I am looking for it right now.

 

It's in this thread at about 14.53:

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41894

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhub8179YQ8o4yBhyW

He is specifically invited to comment on Arum saying that all tests are agreed to & it's no longer an issue, yet he responds with a "Pac doesn't want the fight-he's fighting my left-overs" spiel...?
I would have thought that was the perfect opportunity to set the record straight.

 

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Thanks Irish.

At about 14.53, he is specifically invited to comment on Arum saying that all tests are agreed to & it's no longer an issue, yet he responds with a "Pac doesn't want the fight-he's fighting my left-overs" spiel...?

I would have thought that was the perfect opportunity to set the record straight.

I just want to know what the situation is either way.

 

floyd beat Ricky Hatton when Ricky was undefeated, American dollars, in America, feed the less privileged, yo, Floyd is never going to get a fair shake so......Manny only fight Floyds left-overs....

I think that concludes the matter.

 

Floyd doesn't want the fight. Mayweather fears defeat and he is the sort of person who, because he is an innate bully, he loathes being bullied or short-changed himself, which is what would be happening to him if Manny was on performance enhancers. It would be an edge for Manny, and Floyd doesn't like people to have the edge. Floyd likes to have the edge. Its Floyds ball, and he will take it and go home if he doesn't get his way.

 

Oh crap. I must have missed that comment.
You're right. My bad. I'll stop thinking about it now.

You definately know boxing.

 

Heh?? ::

Floyd gets asked a question and then just basically goes off on a spiel, a slightly more articulate and detailed version of what his old man usually says*

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* "manny a motherfucker".

 

I got a str8 awnser for you,

Who knows?

We just hear both sides in the media :goodnews: and we really have no idea

We can speculate but we don't know

I keep coming back to it "has to happen".
It is just too much money to pass up, to say either fighter is "scared" is just absurd IMO

 

I'd say that given "It is just too much money to pass up", to say that neither fighter is scared (of something), or at least doesn't want the fight, is absurd.

If we have no idea of what has has/ hasn't been agreed to, why are there so many on this board who boldly assert they do? (I assume that those people just haven't noticed this thread yet)

Also, why don't we have any idea?

Given the hype surrounding this fight, why is what has/ hasn't been agreed to so mysterious?
I read Arum being quitdirect in saying that everything is agreed to, & that testing is no issue, yet the assumption seems to be (here at least) that he is lying, at least by ommission.
Yet when PBF has it put to him, he evades the subject...?

 

Something is afoot. We just don't know what. Some fine day we will wake up and this thing will have been signed behind our backs.

 

I agree with the "who knows" in principle. Meaning, other than the 2 fighters or people very close to them, we can only speculate about why exactly this is not happening.

But my belief is that there is no solace in clarifying the drug testing issue, even if you could do it. I think the drug testing WAS indeed a deal breaker at first, and I believe Manny was slow to agree to a stricter-than-usual test regimen. I also believe that eventually, after the deal was already falling apart badly, Manny did agree to something close to what Floyd had asked for.

To be perfectly frank, I think since then Floyd has been wavering heavily about whether or not he even wants to fight anymore. I think he has just about ZERO interest in this fight as a means of legacy, proving who is best, etc. And as Manny has progressed and gone on to convincingly win fights against just about everyone, Floyd becomes less and less interested in potentially losing his "0" for a fight he doesn't really care that much about in the first place.

I really think it is good for world-class fighters to lose now and then. It not only tests their mettle in terms of whether they forge on or not, but it forces them to put their boxing career into a different perspective that focuses on vindicating themselves, proving that they didn't get to where they were by fighting nobodies, proving that they didn't just "fold" the first time they fought a real challenger. They are also unafraid to risk a potential loss again, though they have grown to HATE losing.... a perfect combination from a fan's point of view.

Floyd's identity is his undefeated status. But it didn't used to be. He has put so much on the back of it now.... so much of his talk, to much of why he is the best, so much of his justification for being an ass in general is stacked on the fact that he has never been beaten. He has created something of a monster, and it has grown to bite him as he is clearly far, far more hesitant with each passing fight to take RISKS. It is sort of like the parable of the talents (no pun intended)... having this golden thing and sort of burying it and protecting it to make sure it doesn't get tarnished rather than taking risks and growing it to grander proportions.

So is Floyd "scared" of a Pac fight? Maybe not the fight itself, maybe not getting hurt, being hit, anything physical... but he is definitely scared of the prospect of being beaten. I don't see how anyone can deny that at this point. Floyd Mayweather junior right now fights GOOD fighters over whom he is a HEAVY favorite. Period. He doesn't fight bums, but he makes sure the talent he gets in the ring with is sufficiently inferior to make him comfortable.

I put the initial failure to make the fight on Pac for his silly "I scared of needles" bullshit, but after that it has been all Floyd. Floyd does not want this fight. It is of little or not importance to him, obviously, and until or unless he needs the money I don't see him taking the fight.

I guess from an argumentative standpoint it is important to know who actually did/said what in the negotiations that broke down, but I think it's all academic now as Floyd simply does not want this fight anymore, if he ever did.

 

YOu expect us to read all that? lmao

 

Agreed, Floyd fears defeat more than he fears the means through which his defeat arises.

 

My opinion is: If Pacquiao didn't agree to it when they were actually in negotiations, he hasn't agreed to it yet. If it's not on paper, it's not valid. I don't care what arum says. It must be written in the stipulations of the contract.

 

It seems that those posters who so confidently asserted that Arum was lying when he said that all drug testing was agreed to, have missed this thread.

I'll just bump it, as they are probably the best people to explain the reasons behind their assertion(s) that Arum is lying when he says so, & PBF's evasion of the topic, when directly addressed to him.

 

It was a good post.

 

Floyd doesn't want the fight. His actions speak much louder than his words.

 

If you want to go by facts we have to go back when the fight was being negociated and almost done. Pacquiao rejected the testing and signed the next day to fight Clottey. Everything else is bullshit from both sides trying to cover their asses. Simple as that. Not that Floyd shouldn't take heat for not trying again to make it happen, he owes that as well as Manny.

 

Beat me to it.

 

Could you please summarize it in 3 sentences or less thanks.

 

Second to last section dof the post says it best:

I put the initial failure to make the fight on Pac for his silly "I scared of needles" bullshit, but after that it has been all Floyd. Floyd does not want this fight. It is of little or not importance to him, obviously, and until or unless he needs the money I don't see him taking the fight.

 

90 whole seconds reading is an awful long time for some people

 

I know it's rough. ::

 

Not everybody here has the attention span of a 2 year old.

I've read his post and it was interesting.

 

My guess is that if Arum and Pacquiao agreed (in contract, not simply in an interview) to Floyd's demands, that Floyd would come up with some other demand. Or Arum would come up with another demand.

I've heard Arum say there's no more issues with drug testing. He's recently said Floyd's legal issues are what is in the way. But I also read that a member of Team Pacquiao (either Koncz or Ariza) said they will only do 14 days.

It's a bunch of he said, she said crap, and I think it mainly boils down to ego and the fact that both sides can make a shitload of money (even if not as much as they would against each other) elsewhere to fight easier opponents.

I think Floyd has been quoted as basically saying that Pacquiao agreeing to his testing demands is bullshit.

I don't know whom to believe with their claims, but I do believe that Floyd would rather make easier millions against the Ortizs and Khans of the world than to risk his "0" against Manny. The same with Arum and his choice of opposition for Manny (I get the impression Manny is indifferent). Floyd also probably figures he will age better due to styles than Manny and then he'll face Manny (if at all).

 

Sme good points and opinions, we can all speculate,

Personally, I think it has nothing to do with Foyd worrying about a loss, I actually think the fight WILL happen, I have no doubt actually... I think it is more about Floyd trying to drive up demand and drive up his purse.

Honestly, and I mean this in total seriousness.. I think it is a mismatch. I don't think PAC has a shot hell

People act like ey both fought Dlh when he was shot, I'd say they we're totally different dlh's one was Earl 2007 and I thought a threat, the other was almost 3 years later and a shell

Hatton, same thing, when Floyd won he was undefeated and a p4p'der


I have come to enjoy PAC and he has improved a lot but I think these two are in different classes and Floyd will dominate him

The fight will happen, I can't believe either side would pass up on this kind of money