How did you HONESTLY score Mayweather vs Castillo 1?

Think about it... what kind of self respecting human wants to be a ref in any sport?

 

What if it's female mud wrestling or volleyball?

 

Round 1: Floyd. Comfortably low pace for him, Castillo equips well, but Floyd's round clearly.

Round 2: Floyd. Just about to close to call, but I'd say Floyd barely shaded it.

Round 3: Floyd. Seems like Floyd hurt his hand in this one. Barely throws a right and looks very crowded and awkward as a result. Still, on punches scored he shaded it.

Round 4: Floyd. Another nothing round, but Castillo landed very little & Floyd landed some jabs.

Round 5: Floyd. I know I'm gonna end up with a horribly stupid looking card at this rate, but Floyd is just landing more clean shots.

Round 6: Castillo: gonna give this to him since Floyd didn't wanna fight this round.

I'll say it now again: Lederman is a fucking tool. Total boxing spastic.

Round 7: Castillo: on punches landed there's very little in it, but only one man wants to be there again.

Round 8: Castillo: based on a few very solid body shots a good number of cleanish headshots and a general unwillingness on Floyd's part to fight. Understandable given the hand, but dems da (metacarpals) breaks.

Round 9: Floyd. Came out much more proactive, got more done.

Round 10: Floyd. Seemed like his clearest round since the first. Castillo getting ragged.

(that crayon muncher Lederman scored it for JCC!!!!)

Round 11: Even. Floyd elects to stand his ground in centre ring and sit in the pocket. He probably landed more clean shots but I got the feeling the round took more out of him than Castillo. Tough to score.

Round 12: Castillo. Another round that was very close. Castillo forced the action while I didn't see much edge in scored leather either way.

Fantastic fight. There's no doubt it was extremely competitive - I've seen almost every round scored both ways except the first and even that was pretty close. But I think Floyd won. The punch stats were a farce and Lederman is about as much use as Anne Frank's drum kit. He should be euthanised.

Floyd 7-4-1

 

Sometimes you see referees double as judges. For example, Steinwinder - I think he works Mississipi jobs. He's a judge and a ref. Point is, neither position is reserved for the best and the brightest, but rather the guy who knows someone who knows someone.

And my guess is they get paid pretty handsomely. Which is why even a self respecting human may want to be one.

 

:bears:

Very close to the way i saw it.

 

Yea, Lederman scored rounds for castillo, when clearly floyd won them on accurate punching. I think lederman favors aggression over accurate punching.

 

I'm not sure whether he's biased in that he's instructed to make fights to seem more exciting on the TV - very plausible - or whether he's just flat out incompetent.

 

Sometimes he's pretty good. But he was way off on the Mayweather-Castillo 1 fight and he also had Hatton leading Floyd for most of that one. :jaw:

 

So Lederman does know his stuff ::

 

Sorry but accurate punching is not and should not be a scoring criteria.

HBO likes to talk about accuracy, as if it matters, but it doesn't. Sure punches landed matter. But if fighter A lands 20 and fighter B lands 8, it shouldn't matter that fighter B landed at 80% accuracy, having only thrown 10 punches, whereas fighter A threw 100 and landed at just 20%.

It's just some nonsense HBO has fallen in love with talking about.

 

Dick-riders like Sly have no choice but to scramble about urgently trying to rewrite history when it comes to PBF/Castillo I. Afterall, how could Sly's super-hero possibly have lost a fight? He couldn't. If he did, he'd no longer meet Sly's super-hero criteria, and Sly could no longer bask in the fantasy that there is such a thing. He'd suddenly find himself simply a fan of a sport, and not the beholder of some super-natural being.

 

He's an idiot. I'm sorry but he just is and I don't even have anything else to say. ::

Lederman's thought process : *sound of birds tweeting* 'hey that guy done go forward!' *95s more of birds tweeting* 'yeah forward be better than backwards'

 

Yeah, massive Floyd dick riders like ME have no choice but to do those things athetic:

 

Who put the most hurt on the other?

End criteria.

 

End criteria? What does that mean?

 

First of all, are you a PBF dick-rider? No.

Do you consider yourself a member of the set, "the likes of Sly?"


I wouldn't be offend if I were you by anything directed at Sly. You can be assured it doesn't apply to you.

 

Aggression wins you rounds, but only if you're throwing and landing. Castillo in some rounds was aggressive, but did not do enough with it. He didn't even throw a jab alot of the time. Most rounds floyd was jabbing effectively on the back foot winning rounds.

 

I thought they spilt the rounds and both guys lost them 10-8.

It's been years since I've watched it but that's how I recall it going down. Didn't castillo lose a point for low blows?

 

I had it 7-5 in rounds for Floyd. Castillo was competitive and took a lot of the middle rounds, but Floyd landed the sharper punches and was much more accurate throughout.

 

I wasn't saying it was directed at me, mate. I just brought myself up (as somebody well established as despising Floyd) to show scoring the fight clearly for Floyd isn't evidence of a huge, 'scrambling' bias. Actually, I would argue the opposite, having just viewed it again.

 

Please...

Floyd hasn't lost a fight to date. These are the facts. No fantasy here.

Don't hate, appreciate.

 

:nono:

if it were as clear as you say, you wouldn't have spent countless hours making the case PBF won. you would not have needed to. the fact is, it was a controversial win. why was it controversial? because no matter how often you blow your horn, there's not a consensus on who deserved the nod. there's quite a bit of momentum around rewriting history in order to make it seem like other than controversial, but that has nothing to do with facts.

 

It was only controversial because of the influence of the HBO commentary team, IMO.

"That was NOT the fight we saw. NOT the first time it happened" - Lampley (who was himself influenced by Lederman, who was dead wrong.

Look at that fight without the commentary and Floyd had an insurmountable lead by the time two-thirds of the fight had elapsed. It only appeared close because Floyd looked to be uncomfortable in there and we weren't used ot seeing that at the time.

 

I'll say this - when a dominant fighter's in a harder than expected fight fans tend to score generously to the underdog. Natural. Add to that the huge (deserved) antipathy towards Floyd & multiply that. I'll leave aside the influence of that retard Lederman.

You really gotta try to score that fight for JLC, and allot of people did (including me at the time, tbh).

 

LOL

that killed me

 

Alright, I just finished watching it for the first time since the night it went down

Mayweather- rounds 1,2,3,9,11
Castillo rounds 4,5,6,7,12

Round 8 comes out 9-9
Round 10 comes out 9-9 (floyd was CLEARLY winning that round, Lederman is bonkers)

Final score 113-113... a draw

Like Hut said, there are definitley some either/or rounds

 

A draw or one pt for Castillo....

 

You scored it exactly the same as me.

 

It's the Irish in you, has to be

 

Jasus, it is. :cheer: