Linares vs. DeMarco - the perfect example of HBO incompetence...

You need to watch that fight again if you went away from it thinking Linares would've wanted a rematch, and that the only reason he lost was because of the cuts.

What's often over-looked in fights like these (Chavez/Taylor I, Cotto/Margarito and Trinidad/ODH are other examples) is the degree of energy required, in this case by Linares, to hang on as long as he did.

The fact is, there was no single devastating shot that ended the fight. Rather, it was the accumulation of punishment, applied by way of the pace that DeMarco dictated, that ultimately led to Linares' fading and ultimately folding.

Wins like Demarco's over Linares remind me of the manner in which the cape hunting dogs of Africa slowly overwhelm the more athletic and graceful antelope, simply by outlasting it and forcing it to run for so long it collapses in exhaustion, at which point it can be easily dismantled, just as DeMarco did Linares.

Also, IIRC, the cuts were due to punches. And so there's no reason at all to dismiss their significance as bad luck.

 

Look,.. Kizer sung "He aint heavy, he's my brother" when Hopkins looked like he fell out of a tree, Shaefer is the equator, not the mediator,.. Just like Pacino said,.. "I respect what he's done, the new overthrows the old" ...it's nothing personal, just business.

 

Well......he better not be heavy. Sounds boring.

Of course it is just business.

Who do you reckon is the brains of that operation? Oscar? Ritchie? Bernard?

I think Oscar signs the cheques, but Ritchie writes them, and Bernard...well.....he gets the tea.

 

Can Kizer wet his beak a little bit?...

Yes, yes I know that Oscar left the roundtable once shouting "I have been treated this day with no respect" ... when the commission voted against his interests conflicting with the Pacquiao family,.. but it's just the leap-frog of business,.. Oscar knows he's still gotta grease them. Every plot has a corrupt cop Irishman.

 

Well all Don Oscar has to do is let everyone wet their beak then from time to time. But will he? It seems he owns the key to the Ring Faucet.....personally, I think Don Oscar to be more of a Fredo. A Man-Fredo, perhaps, but a Fredo nonetheless. I think the Michael in this crew is called Richie. Won't be long before we find Bernard slumped with a bad shoulder in the bushes.

 

Ok, I've watched the fight for the second time.

Linares only took a handful of clean shots up until the fourth/fifth round. I thought he was landing the cleaner shots and beating DeMarco to the punch consistently and imo won the first 4/5 rounds.
It was in the sixth round that DeMarco started to land clean and hard with solid uppercuts, hooks and straight shots, consequently cutting Linares on the nose with Linares being forced to trade up close as he was hurt, which suited DeMarco.

DeMarco was forcing the issue into rounds 7/8, but Linares was still game. Linares was cut again just above the eye at the end of the eighth and saw Demarco become more aggressive going into round 9, also looking the fresher. Linares was trading alot but did not seem to be hurting DeMarco at all. Linares did not take too much punishment in round 10 (I even gave Linares the tenth).

Round 11 was all wrong for Linares. He wanted to trade with DeMarco and was caught way too much, receiving too much punishment forcing the referee to stop the fight. Up until the stoppage, I had Linares up by 3-4 points.

No matter how many of you disagree with me, I still believe Linares could have gone on to win the fight if he had implied the right strategy going into round 11, instead of standing toe to toe with DeMarco and playing into his hands.

 

The family, is the best of friends and the worst of enemies at the same time, and so they've got to remain....close. Make a move, or a hit, here and there,..the public is the carrion, and the hyena's fight for the biggest piece of the flesh. They're all in,.. Kizer is either the greased cop, or the installed politician,... :nono: the glove fits.

 

And who, pray tell, is the Kefauver in all of this shit??

 

Linares was winning handily... he was damaged by a handful of shots ... for LONG STRETCHES of that fight, DeMarco was doing NOTHING... Breaking a guy down requires that you HIT HIM and hit him SOLIDLY... DeMarco was absolutely losing every round until the last couple... DOn;t listen to Double, there was no breaking down done by DeMarco

the whole time watching it, WHiskey and I were in here imploring DeMarco to do the things one does when breaking down a guy, because HE WAS FAILING TO DO SO

 

You see, you make sense. It's the Irish in you. :bears:

And you agree that if linares had implied the right tactics going into round 11 (or earlier), he would have won a unanimous decision?

 

You may have remembered a sea of chants once in Pacquiao's defence,..he ''won the crowd'' like Russel Crowe, and it went a little something like this,..

"da commission,.....................da commission,.................da commission"...

You see,.. when Floyd broke the code of the streets, snitched, and got the USADA involved,.. Kizer said to Arum,.. "The way this works is,.. we shake down who you want us to shake down".

 

We like.....snacks? Maybe a small fry is about to get shook down. Maybe Wlad needs to watch his ass.

 

"Collar that dog!" said Kizer to Arum,.. when Ariza went all 'Sonny Corleone' against the USADA,.. "We'll deal with this" ...

As for Wlad,.. he needs to learn how to counter-punch and stop being so white. His interests dont conflict with the families.

 

Possibly, but he's been staying out of Manhattan a lot recently. Maybe the Rosatto Brothers are Kosher so long as they keep to toe-breaking hapless Brits in Krautsville. Small potatoes. Just so long as they stay out of Vegas, right?

 

Well,.. Arum sent a goon to kneecap Vitali,..and was successful,.. Vitali went and hid in sicily for 4 years. Then he used the same enforcer to get rid of Maskaev.
Since then,.. those interests dont conflict with the family anymore.

 

I hear Luca Peters sleeps with the fishes.

 

His sister built the drainage pipes so he lived.

 

::

Go back to your own community ::

 

:: Took me 3 circulations,.. but I finally got a handle on the screeching.

 

absolutely... credit to DeMarco for (finally) seizing the initiative, but he was able to do so in part because Linares gassed himself by continuing to fire when he was falling apart from exhaustion and an awful lot of blood loss... It would not have been pretty or inspiring, but he probably wins it if he goes into keep-away mode from 10 onwards

 

I am so tired of this sort of take on events. It's ridiculous. What you're basically saying is that Linares could've won but decided instead to lose.

Take a look at what you've written, and the degree to which you've stripped Demarco of any and all credit for what transpired in the fight. Instead, it somehow makes sense to you that although Linares could've cruised to an easy decision win, he instead elected to tire himself out and lose?

Give me a fucking break. News for everyone: there were two fighters in there Saturday, Linares and Demarco.

Fact is, "cruising," or, "moving" for an entire fight is not a viable strategy for winning a fight. For one, it's not sustainable. For two, if it "looks" like the right strategy to viewers like you, it means the fighter's offense, and/or his ability to cope with his opponent's offense, simply isn't there.

Linares landed a lot of clean shots. A lot. Guess what. Demarco kept coming. And that's what decided this fight. Not tactical mishaps on Linares' part. Not a lucky punch from Demarco. Not self-imposed exhaustion. It was Demarco's pressure, his ability to absorb Linares' shots and keep coming, and his offense. Linares simply couldn't hold up to it.

And any interpretation of this fight that doesn't most of all heap praise on demarco for doing what he did, is either the result of pre-conceived notions that have interferred with the viewers ability to see what is actually happened and/or HBO's insidiously biased account of what transpired and their desire to build one fighter up and to say as little as possible regarding the other.

Basically, HBO views their coverage of a fight (fighter) as a service to the promoter - one that must be paid for in some form or fashion. Apparently, demarco's promoter neglected to pay up whereas Linares' obviously paid big-time.

Actually, this post from cdogg is a perfect example of the fall-out from HBO's bias - a completely distorted and really, nonsensical take on what actually happened in the fight.

Of course, if Linares had pulled out that fight, it all would've made sense, and all the credit would've been his (rightfully so).

 

The dialogue between Irish and Kaukippr is self-indulgent and seemingly mindless. They're like twins who've developed their own language. Does anyone know what they fuck they're talking about? Do people think they actually understand each other?

 

It's a great strategy when you have the decision wrapped up easily and have been hammering your opponent for 9 consecutive rounds and you have an awful cut that could badly compromise you

DeMarco needed a KO to win... without it, he loses a one-sided decision

Linares chose to continue firing off shots at a point where he was tiring badly from loss of blood

He easily could have ran away and still won a wide decision... it was a tactical error... credit to DeMarco for taking advantage... but your reading of the fight (breaking him down) is absolute horseshit... he was doing no such thing... how;d you have it? 5 rounds a piece? probably, you blind motherfucker

 

Khan is able to win fights using his attributes, despite not having a great chin, being able to fight on the inside or trading shots for too long against bigger punchers. I'm sure Linares will bounce back from this defeat. He has many talents in the ring and will learn to be more strategic when certain circumstances arise. He's still 26 after all.

 

Body-punching, or landing punches whatsoever, is just one way in which a fighter breaks the other down.

Another is by physically and mentally exhausting him by applying consistent and undeterred pressure (as a cape hunting dog would in the plains of Africa).

It's not horse-shit. What's horse-shit is this over-simplification of circumstances you've managed in which Linares could've simply kept moving for the rest of the fight and won a decision.

As I said, when a fighter's offense is impotent, and he's physically and mentally exhausted from having to move away from his opponent round after round, he's without exception in a world of shit, and whether he's managed to take most of the rounds or not, will usually be knocked out. And when he is, it's not a function of bad luck or tactical mistakes, but rather of the pressure he's been subjected to.

What Linares would've needed to do to win that fight would've been to be able to stand in with DeMarco and win exchanges by anticipating and evading Demarco's shots, hurting Demarco with his own shots, and tereby discouraging Demarco's own offense. He couldn't do any of that. He couldn't get out of the way of Demarco's shots without moving his legs. He couldn't hurt or discourage Demarco with his own offense. And thus he couldn't discourage or hold in check Demarco's pressure. This all added up to a loss - one that was every bit as inevitable as you like to paint Linare's chance to win.

It's true that Demarco needed a knock-out to win that fight. What's not true is that he was able to score one because Linares was simply too stupid to protect his lead. In fact, Linares was too exhausted, mentally and physically, and too beat up to protect his loss.

 

oh god, more of the "hunting" nonsense

How'd you score the fight, Trouble Mel? 5-5?? since this hunting is so incredibly effective

How'd you have Foreman/Moorer at the time of the stop? 4-3-2?

Following a guy around and barely touching him while getting punched in the face is not a winning strategy

 

Not at 135 he won't. Khan has power at 140. Power he can use to control the pace and the real estate of the fight. Linares didn't have that against Demarco.

If Linares expects to have success, he'll have to move down to at least 130, if not 126, which represents a big change in plans for him considering it was reported he planned to be at 140 this time next year. Clearly, Linares' decision to move to 135 and then 140 is for marketing purposes, and not because he's trying to maximize his ability.

 

Khan's luck will run out when he is "hunted" to extinction

 

1. Don't you get it? The score didn't matter! Can you at least attempt to surmise this?

2. Foreman/Moorer is entirely unrelated. The fact you bring it up serves only to fortify my argument that you've completed misinterpreted the events of Demarco/Linares.

3. First of all, he didn't follow him around and barely touch him. I think the cuts alone disprove this lay-man's summary of the fight. Second, how can you call Demarco's strategy anything but a winning one when in fact he won the fight? Do you realize how backwards and twisted that is? Geeze. You're like a HBO pin-ball.

 

He wasn't all that far from lying down for the cape hunting dog in his fight with Madaina.

"Ok cape doggy. I'm too tired to go on and I'm emotionally devastated having run for my life for what feels like hours; I'm going to sit down right here and rest and you can began chewing and tearing the flesh off my bones. And it'll be better than the alternative of my having to keep running. Good doggy."

But recall, that Khan wasn't able to survive and beat Madaina by getting on his bike. Remember that.

Nonetheless, I thought Madaina got the better of him.