Donaire vs Narvaez this weekend

Donaire is taking on Narvaez this weekend. I haven't seen much of Narvaez, just clips. He looks fast, has good hand speed, but really that's all I gathered from him. He gets hit and is naturally smaller than Donaire. I can't see him lasting more than 6 rounds tbh. Donaire will be his toughest opponent to date I gather.

What ya'll think?

 

I think you have to go with Donaire fairly easily over all these smaller guys.

 

Yea, I think this will be his last fight at 118. Narvaez has only been in with 'B' and 'C' opponents apparently, so this should be fairly straight forward for Nonito.

 

It's not that I think Narvaez is a bad fighter - he's not. Donaire is just that good right now.

 

Yup. I've seen a bit more of Narvaez today and he's not all bad, just not on the same level as Nonito.

 

They were both longtime flyweights, but I agree that Narvaez is far more of a natural flyweight and Donaire grew out of the weight class.

Narvaez move up 3 lbs to junior bantam didn't hurt him at all. He's had some of his best performances recently at that weight.

Narvaez isn't really that fast, but he is accurate, has excellent timing and movement, and wins exchanges by leading and finishing. He doesn't look like Holyfield at all, but if you watch cruiserweight Holyfield, he did the same thing with re to leading and finishing exchanges.

I think Narvaez is a better boxer than Donaire. I think that if Narvaez can take Donaire's power, he will be ahead in the fight and if it goes the distance, Narvaez will deserve the decision.

Donaire...I suspect he is overrated right now. HBO has gotten the lickfest going hard for him and that always skews public perception.

Anyone want to take my money? I'll take Narvaez at 14/1 all day

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at mikE, there's no end to the shit he comes up with.

For starters he won't be able to take Donaire's power, he'll get KO'd in 4 or 5 rounds, but if by some freakish chance he can take Nonito's power, he'll lose a very lopsided decision. He's not even close to being as good a boxer as Donaire, and Donaire is going to make him look slow.

 

How many times has Donaire boxed on HBO? A bunch of us have been big on him for years.

 

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Donaire, Narvaez make weight

By Mike Bernier at the scale
Photo: Chris Farina/Top Rank

Nonito Donaire 116.25 vs. Omar Narvaez 117
(For Donaire’s WBC/WBO bantamweight titles)
Mikey Garcia 125 vs. Juan Carlos Martinez 126.25
(Martinez has one hour to lose .25 pound)
Mike Brooks 137 vs. Eddie Ramirez 135.25
Tommy Rainone 150.25 vs. Brad Jackson 150
Jonathan Gonzalez 113.25 vs. Jose Rivera 113
Seanie Monaghan 174.5 vs. Anthony Pietantonio 174.25
Mikael Zewski 148 vs. Keuntray Henson 147
Cletus Seldin 146.5 vs. Jose Segura 146.25

 

So you would like to put up money at 14-1, a split between the going odds? say your 280 to my 20?

I believe the odds are way off of what they should be. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I'm willing to back it up. Are you willing to call me on my 'shit'?

 

Saying Narvaez is better is different than saying you don't think he's 14 times worse.

 

Even if Donaire is only .3 times better, I'll lose my money.

 

You'd have to be pretty stunned to bet on 14-1 favourite in a boxing match.

 

Navarez is a lefty who could fight but he better not keep his hands down like he usually does in there with Donaire...

 

well, what happened to the HBO "lickfest" then?

 

When is the last time you saw Donaire fight?

 

On HBO, when he knocked a very good opponent out in two rounds. You think HBO took that out of context?

 

his last fight, against Montiel

what the fuck does that have to do with anything?

listen, if you want to go through life believing that everyone else is a mindless automaton programmed by HBO, go right ahead... but you deserve to be ridiculed for such a stupid position

 

Donaire's one of those fighters, like Pacquiao, who is just plain good, whether HBO is licking his balls or not.

 

It was an answer to your question, dumfuck.

 

No one is saying he isn't good.

But is HBO licking his balls hard? Does HBO affect public perception?

As usual, cdogg has the reading comprehension of a dogg in heat.

 

a SHITTY answer, twat

you stated that Donaire is only highly thought of because HBO is "licking" him... then you posted a list where the greatest number of fights were on fucking Showtime

Donaire is highly thought of because he has been enormously impressive IN THE RING

 

sure, for everyone except you and Double L, apparently

 

Yes. HBO is licking his balls. And yes, HBO affects public perception, big time.

My only point is, this isn't the best example to demonstrate it because Donaire has fought on a lot of different networks, and has faced top competition. His rise to stardom hasn't been Bertoesque. He hasn't been coddled along a la Taylor, Berto, Chavez Jr. - he's not an HBO creation.

But yeah. HBO kisses his ass nontheless and affects public opinion in doing so.

 

where did i state that?

 

Basically, I agree with everything you are saying.

I suspect, but don't know for sure, that Donaire is overrated at p4p #3. I suspect and am more confident that Narvaez is underrated at p4p #nothing. I think Narvaez has a chance to beat Donaire and I'm willing to back it up.

And if Donaire treats Narvaez like he did Montiel, then I'll have far less of an issue with Donaire at p4p #3.

Anyone know, prior to HBO signing Donaire, was he bragged up by the HBO crew or did they slip JMM in that spot?

 

He was well regarded even prior to his facing Montiel, having beaten some other top guys and by knock-out for the most part.

It's been a long-standing question whether his mgmt knows wtf it's doing, because he seemed to sit on his win over Vic, but he's since managed to restore his relevance, even prior to beating Montiel. Although, it is telling that many picked Montiel, but then again, Montiel, having beaten that Japanese champ (forget his name) was creeping up people's list too.

Obviously, HBO helps get the message out when a fighter is good. And that's basically what's happened in Donaire's case. But HBO did not create him. Rather, he's for real. And given that's the case, his mgmt deserves some credit afterall.

 

all of us know nothing about boxing and just do what HBO says which explains my very high opinion of such luminaries as Amir Khan, Bernard Hopkins, Andre Berto and Victor Ortiz

do you guys listen to yourselves?

 

mikE - as you think Narvaez is better than Donaire, I'll bet you even money that Donaire wins :kidcool: