Duran vs Pacquiao at 147lbs

because he thinks it helps his case.

 

He had.

Leonard retired in 1982. He came back in 1984. He retired again. He came back in 1987. He retired again. Came back and fought lalonde, hearns, Duran, Norris. Retired again. Came back and fought Camacho. Retired again.

So with your logic...leonard only retired in 1997?

i mean come on.

 

For teh record..I agree that he should have fought Cotto after Hatton instead of retiring. I was as pissed as the next man. The fact is, however, that after De La Hoya he lost interest in boxing for a season and the Hatton fight was merely an abberation.....caused by Hatton's public attempt at humiliating him.

 

Considering how long it takes to negotiate fights, promotional tours, training camps etc...I'd say Floyd was "retired" at most a month. if that.

With Leonard you're talking two years and three years.

Not even in the same ballpark.

 

Saying you're gonna retire isn't a retirement. At a minimum a retirement is some interruption in the pattern of your career. He 'retired' after Hatton.

Unlike Leonard after Finch, Floyd stayed in the gym training full time after Hatton, which is....um.....unique in the book of boxing retirements.

 

You're wasting your time with Sly. I recall a convo we had about PPV numbers and the Hatton fight and I pointed out to Sly that Hatton got part of the U.S. PPV money and all of the U.K. money while Floyd only got a cut of the U.S. PPV money.

As a result, Hatton made something like $10 million more than Floyd (despite having a lower guarantee) when all the money was counted.

Sly's response was, "who cares about the international money?!?"

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I feel he lost any interest in real boxing achievements and not for a season but permanantly. He probably never had it but with the Oscar win reached the point money/marketability wise when he could hustle and cheap his way through the remainder of the career, still making real money but never really having to earn it. He's kinda a neat symbol of a decade where success and contribution were completely decoupled and degeneracy not only paid but became self-justifiable.

 

I love Sly, he's a good egg/excellent poster. I just hate Floyd and love Duran and get irrationally angry whenever anybody disagrees with me about those two fighters ::

 

...and try to grade opposition on a curve to make Floyd's opposition seem better than it really was.

 

It was good for it's time. Floyd didn't have the "luxury" of having the fab four to fight against.

 

Based on his "retirement" when Cotto, Mosley, Williams and Margarito were the best at 147 it's more than likely Floyd would have found a way out of fighting any of the big four as well.

Then again...we all know he never would have gone to 135 or 140 at that time.

 

Dude.....

You seem to forget that Floyd started at 130. After an illustrious career culminating with his sixth title in his sixth weight class against the BIG NAME of his era, Oscar De La Hoya...I don't blame him for retiring. GOOD time to retire IMO.

Y'all seem to forget that fighting AFTER Oscar, in his 30s is unnecessary and it's just a bonus. He didn't have to come back to justify his career up to that point.

He fought Hatton because of the Brit's big mouth...and just couldn't let that one slide....but he was still in retirement mindset.

 

The reason "The Big Four" are considered (and should be considered) great is they did what Floyd has not done...they cleaned out their divisions and beat everyone they should have fought and beaten.

Leonard had done that by 24, Duran by 28, Hagler over the course of his career and Hearns essentially did the same save for losses to Leonard and Hagler.

The "unknown titlist" Margarito called out Floyd many times...as did Paul Williams...I didn't see Floyd in a rush to fight either solely based on that criteria.

 

Yeah but he would have beat all those guys anyway so it doesn't matter. His wins over Corrales and Castillo prove that.

 

hahaha...I give up.

Y'all just try to be idiots, and you do a good job of it.

 

the problem for mayweather jr is he didnt get the right fights when he was still willing to take on all comers at 130lbs. nor did he have the name foes like leonard did. nor did he have the backing/fan base to make opponents anxious to face him. it all stems from him lacking the charisma leonard had, and being robbed in the olympics. by the time he got to welter he was in the same mode leonard was in after his early twenties. picking and choosing

 

Most don't have issues with Floyd until he rose above 135. I almost give him a pass for not fighting tszyu seeing that Tyzsu was a showtime guy. But once he moved past 140 there is no excuse. The fights were makeable at the time.

 

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Duran doesn't have nearly the countering or combination punching skills that Marquez has.

 

word.

I still maintain that Pac probably beats him. Marquez is a different animal altogether.

 

I still don' see how you can say this.

Duran's right hand countering and slick manuevering on the inside is nothing Pacquiao has ever seen.

I don't see how Manny deals well with Duran at all. And I didn't need this fight to convince me but still.

Duran does everything better than Marquez and then some.

 

No. Pac has trouble with JMM's counter punching style, not his class per se. Duran closed distance better than JMM, he was physically stronger and he liked to dry hump, but none of this troubles Pac. Pac has problem with quickness, great timing and combinations, and JMM is clearly > Duran in these attributes

 

I think if we took a poll on that every objective person on the forum would vote against you and steve_dave on that one

 

seriously, people are beyond retarded when it comes to Duran... guy was a brilliant defensive fighter and a great counterpuncher

 

Shut up, he was a swinging dry humper.ointlaugh:

 

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Come on. Duran was good, but it is not like he was better than another great fighter in every department of the game. Marquez as a counter and combination puncher is comparable to pretty much anybody in the history and while Duran could do both too, he was first and foremost an attacking fighter. Thus I think his style suits Pac better than JMM's, even though Duran was better.

 

he was an attacking fighter who countered while attacking, a rare skill... he was incredibly slick coming forward, extremely difficult to tag cleanly

you grotesquely underrate him

 

Duran was faster than Marquez, he was also an even better counter puncher, and was the only fighter in history that could seamlessly mix offense and defense while coming forward aggressively.

Duran would beat Pacquiao at 147, no doot aboot it. He would also maul Pacquiao on the inside which Pacquiao wouldn't be able to do much about.

 

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Questions answered. Duran all the way.