Juan Manuel Marquez vs Barry McGuigan

Can Marquez overcome the severe disadvanatge of not having fought in the 80s?

Apparently, the air in the 80s was cleaner and it made men tougher, stronger and faster.

 

Oh shut the hell up.

Marquez takes McGugian apart.

 

Make me! :warning:

 

Marquez has his share of troubles with McGuigan for sure... what strong, tough, aggressive and resilient fighter HASN'T pushed Marquez back? I must have missed it

The idea of this being a walk for him is ridiculous

 

Funny enough...i agree with you. Marquez wins a tough competitive struggle.

 

McGuigan was a very capable fighter, he's not an easy mark

 

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Seriously boxing was considerably stronger int he 80s. This is a great fight though.

 

I don't see how anyone can't understand this

 

Proddies re lorra 'em with their skewered history. Especially that Slice guy. King wiggly hand shake Prod of a kerb-painting community, jobs for the boys, say no more *oink oink*

 

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Boxing was stronger in the 80s...AS A WHOLE...I don't see many disputing this. But Y'ALL act as though every single 80s champion was better than every single 00s/10s champion and that's just plain ridiculous.

As I said before...Hopkins, Mayweather and Pacquiao are as good or better than any three 80s champions, P4P. Marquez, Barrera, Morales hold their own against any 80s featherweights.

 

who said otherwise?

 

It's a tendency from you, Ramonza, joe the old fart etc on this forum.

 

Pac & Floyd could hang with anybody from 140 downwards. Donaire is the goods, too, as are the Klits. Martinez, Ward and Bradley would be respectable contenders, though not champs. Hopkins would have been run into retirement about 5 years ago in the 80s, Marquez a couple years ago.

Not many others would even get a mention.

 

This ^

 

Usual bullshit from you. The 80's were MUCH better than now...and no amount of half-assed sarcasm & trolling from you will change that.

The more you resist this, the more ridiculous you sound. And that's saying something...

 

Careful...you are making way too much sense. Especially about Hopkins. Hopkins at Light-Heavy would be in over his head not only against Spinks and Qawi, but some of the other top contenders.

 

Marvin Johnson would chase Bernard out of the ring

 

What MIDDLEWEIGHTS would have chased Hopkins out of the ring. If Hopkins existed in the 80s...Marvin's reign ends in the early 80s.

 

Hut's point is that 5 years ago Hops moved up..and the 175lbs in the 80s were better than the ones now. I don't disagree. You miss his point you old fart becaue you want so badly to disagree with me.

 

Yeah, bernard the pussy would have jumped through the ropes Cintron style....

 

I've always said that the 80s were stronger..shit I became a boxing fan in the 80s..I know how strong that era was. You're preaching to the choir....shiiiiiiiiiit. I'm just saying that it's ridiculous to go to the other extreme and suggest that every single 80s champion was better than every single 00s/10s champion.

Mayweather, Pac, Hopkins, Donaire, Calzaghe....could have lived with any 80s champion P4P or otherwise.

 

You have on many occasions attempted to portray Bernard as a highly significant Light Heavyweight, as evidenced by the fact that you routinely pick him to lose split decisions to the greatest Light Heavies that ever lived

Marvin JOHNSON (not Hagler, you dolt) was a Light Heavyweight and a good one, but basically the 5th best of his era and he would have beaten Hopkins from pillar to post

And no matter how much you wish to protest, Bernard Hopkins is not a better middlewieght than Marvin Hagler

 

You really think Bernard would be able to slow down Johnson? You think he can deal with a powerful southpaw that actually knows how to bob and weave fight on the inside? Wouldn't take Johnson any more than 9 rounds to stop Bernard if Hopkins insisted on fighting back... Of course, if Bernard went into stink mode (the way he's been fighting for the last 7 years, basically) Marvin would have to settle for a one-sided decision

 

I didn't for one second..ONE SECOND confuse Hagler with Johnson...you cunt. I was merely suggesting that Bernard's middleweight record is more relevant when comparing era's as he was more middleweight than Lightheavyweight in terms of career.

 

Bernard's tactics work only against stupid fighters who don't know how to combat a negative approach... Fighters who have only known athleticism in the modern amateur style... a well schooled PRO Light Heavy from the Spinks/Saad/EMM era like Johnson would not at all be flummoxed by a guy who tries to clinch and rabbit punch his way to a close decision win

 

I haven't seen anyone do that. You're just exaggerating again. There are maybe a handful of current fighters who MIGHT be able to hang with the best from the 80's but that's about it. And to be honest...I don't see the either Mayweather or Pac making the jump to 147 with Leonard & Hearns holding titles there. And Calzaghe qualifies mostly by default since the 168 lb division was brand new and hadn't established itself yet. If Calzaghe fought during the 80's, he would probably be a Light-heavy and I don't see him faring all that well against Spinks or Qawi.

 

Hut said "Bernard would have been run into retirement five years ago" ... Bernard has been 168-175 during that time frame, which makes a Hagler comparison spurious... the proper context is LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT, you know the same division where YOU pick this guy who "would have been run into retirement" to lure the likes of Foster and Spinks into close decision chess matches

You put Bernard up there on that pedestal, don't try to backpeddle now just because it's an idiotic position

You put Bernard Hopkins of this Lt. Heavy era in 1980, he is getting pasted by half of the top ten and is a non-factor

 

He may have slimmed down to middleweight. But I'm talking the P4P talent in any event.