So who won? Pac or JMM?

I had Marquez the winner by about 2 points. 115-113 sounds about right. I was very stunned to hear the decision.

Marquez fought the perfect fight and was denied a deserved victory.

 

I called it a draw in terms of rounds...but Marquez certainly won the war. He inflicted more damage.

 

One thing for certain though, Lederman's scoring was pretty bad tonight. He gave Pacquiao some CLEAR Marquez rounds. I dunno what he was thinking at times...must've been drunk on the Pacquiao Kool Aid.

 

I was so happy to see Prescott beaten last night. 1 min, 30 secs away from a win. :finger:

 

I initially scored it a point for Pacquiao. But it's a close call.

I've absolutely no problem had JMM gotten the nod.

Maybe the best thing is if it had been a draw.

 

Will there be a fourth fight? Arum is sold on that idea for sure. It would only result in another close, debatable fight tho.

 

Even when JMM did manage to counter, he was often hit in the process.

 

agREED.

Plus the ridiculous commentary in spots...in the third round Marquez is having a good round...lands an good uppercut then straight right hand and all Manny Steward can say is..."Marquez is still having problems with Pacquiao's speed."

Also, I found it odd there were very few between round replays...typically there's one after each round. I'd have to check but most of the ones they showed (like the 12th round) were meant to highlight a shot Manny landed. I think there was one where they tried to highlight Marquez, but Manny got the better of the exchange.

The highlight at the end of the 12th was ridiculous...Lampley says something like...that maybe the punch that won Manny the round (or the fight) I forget exactly.

Clear cheerleading to me.

As said...Manny winner by business decision.

 

Manny wasn't right from the off, IMO.

I think the distractions out of the ring MAY have resulted in his ''lack of performance'' last night.

The people I spoke to (and watched the fight with) felt the same way as me. They thought too that several pockets were filled by this decision.

 

I agree. Marquez fought an incredible fight last night, simply stylistically finding the answer to Pac. JMM always impresses me at how he slowly finds the holes in the armor and then works toward exploiting them. Knowing Pac as well as he does now, he did it pretty much from the start. I think he flat out made Pac look ROTTEN for the first part of he fight.

There is no other active fighter who could make 147 that would be able to do this to Pac, including PBF. PBF may beat Pac, but not like this. JMM controlled Pac for most of the fight, an incredible feat without "running" at all. No sitting on the ropes and bending or shoulder rolling for minutes at a time. Just flat out FIGHTING one of the best fighters EVER and BEATING him.

In the scheme of things, this changes nothing for me, JMM always gives Pac trouble, when they are to be buried one guy's coffin will somehow block the other's. Pac is still Pac, and as much as people may want to read into how he looked last night, I contend that it is only JMM that can make him look like that, so it really doesn't matter.

Marquez deserves a W on his resume Vs. a prime Pac.... period. He's earned it several times IMO, but this was the only time I felt you had to be a Pac fan to score the fight for Pac. Most of the polls I have seen are at about 2/1 JMM over Pac. I think that fairly represents the sentiment of this fight, even in a boxing world that LOVES Manny Pac.

 

I'm not a Pac guy at all and I scored it 7-5 for Pac... I think he and Floyd have both benefited from an incredibly shitty time for boxing in addition to a bunch of monkeying around with weights during their excursions at the higher weight divisions

I think it's a cheap thing to simply say "oh, you're a fan of fighter A" to someone who scores a fight for fighter A when fighter A wins a controversial decision.

Half the guys here either had it for Pac or a draw... it's not a robbery

A robbery is where 95% of the people have the "loser" winning... Whitaker/Ramirez I - that's a robbery

 

a robbery is when one judge gives marquez only 4 rounds. and that is with a "make up" round in the 12th so that his scorecard seems less crooked.

that is called corruption

 

Wow, I can't believe this poll is in favour of Marquez and fightbeat has Marquez at 55%.

I scored the fight 7 to 5 like cdogg.

Very close and hard to score, but Pacquiao seemed like deserved winner becasue despite Marquez doign INCREDIBLY well and shutting down Pac's offense, Pacquiao threw more punches, landed more punches, and was a bit more aggressive.

Ultimately though like Free Ike said, neither fighter did much. It wasn't a great fight by any means.

I'm going to watch it again and see if I get the same score.

Pac looked crap by the way, much worse than the 1st and 2nd fights.

This fight was very close, but I can't help but think Marquez got a bit more credit than he deserved because most people - including me - expected him to be destroyed at this weight.

 

there are three fucking judges

Marquez was not robbed in any way, shape, or form

 

he was robbed. glen trowbridge committed an atrocity.

 

no he was not robbed

 

Marquez is to great a fighter to get destroyed.I couldn't believe people was picking Pacquiao by early KO ...hilarious and everybody knows I'm a Pac fan

 

because he's not a welterweight and he looked like a slow, fat guy against Mayweather

this time, he took the right drugs and voila! brand new man

 

Marquez is 38 and Pacquiao has looked incredible at 140+. Not really an inconceivable result.

However it's pretty clear that he is Pacquiao's bogeyman, and a 4th or 5th fight would probably be just as close and debatable.

 

Yup.

 

Pacman won the fight. It's all over the sports news.

 

Good fighters who are coming off of devastating losses and know how to throw a right hand are Pac's "bogeymen."

If anyone still thinks Pac would be competitive with Floyd after last night, they need their heads examined.

 

Based on last night's form I would have to pick Floyd, obviously.

However, styles make fights, how many times have we seen stuff like this before?

Pacquiao decapited Hatton, beat a shit scared Shane even easier than Floyd did, treated a weight drained Oscar like a punch bag etc.

Pacquiao isn't Marquez, he would do much better against Floyd.

Floyd struggled with Judah and Corley.

Pacquiao struggles with good counter punchers and good right hands.

I would pick Floyd now based on how Manny looked yesterday, but wouldn't be shocked if Manny won a close decision, put it that way.

 

Good boy. :bears:

Floyd is simply on another level to these cats.

 

Not really, no more than Pacquiao was on another level to Hatton and Oscar and Mosley, but styles make fights, and I think Floyd's right hand, counterpunching ability and defense is going to trouble Pacquiao more than vice versa.

Also Pacquiao has slowed down which is what I was worried about. His hand and footspeed is significantly slower, and he can't pull the trigger as fast.

Floyd has slowed down at least as much, but like I said before - Floyd's style suits the slower pace, Manny's style is basically predicated on speed.

 

What cats? Margarito? The Shane that fought Oscar? Winky Wright? Cotto? Pacman? These cats? The cats he never fought, those cats, are those the felines in question???

 

wright wouldve whipped mayweather jr's ass

 

He probably would have beat him but it would have been no "ass whipping"