The "Pacquiao will Never EVER Beat Floyd" Bandwagon...

...& Before Anybody DARES to Go the "Nuthugger" Route in their Criticism of this Thread, it's about STYLES, Motherfuckers...Marquez has ALWAYS Made Pacquiao Look Pretty AVERAGE & he Did So 1nce Again, Last Night...

Marquez's TIMING, ACCURACY & COUNTERPUNCHING Completely NEUTRALIZED Pacquiao's Otherwise DYNAMIC Offense...Bear in Mind, REED Had Pacquaio WINNING the Fight (Barely), but he Hasn't Been This UNimpressive Since.....well, Since the Last Time he Fought Marquez...

Floyd Brings what Marquez Brings, Only to a HIGHER, More SKILLFUL Degree...In a BIGGER, STRONGER Body...Floyd Will Land Left Jabs & Lead Right Hands All Night...He'll Eventually Land Left Hooks Too....@ the End of the Day, Floyd Schools Pacquiao 10-2, 9-3 OR Stops him Late...

Again, this AIN'T about Embracing Ballsacks, it's about STYLES...


REED:mj:

 

Yes, I agree, I think for the purposes of history, there is no need for Floyd to fight Manny, just add another 1 to Floyds win column, and another 1 to Mannys loss column, let the record show who would have won if they ever fought, get the word out there, Floyd KO-By-Proxy Manny Pacquaio, all day.

Floyd W-Styles-12 Manny Pacquiao.

 

I don't think PAC could ever beat Floyd,

I just think Floyd is on another level

 

REED, I'd have to now pick Floyd too as stylistically I think he matches up better with Manny than vice versa.

But we shouldn't get too carried away, despite how the 3 match up with each other, Floyd ISN'T Marquez.

In some ways he's just a bigger, better version of Marquez.

But there are key differences. Marquez is braver, Marquez is more prepared to throw power shots, Marquez is more prepared to throw combos, Marquez knows Manny very well, Marquez has a very good chin and is very tough. Marquez does very well against southpaws.

I would pick Floyd by 8 to 4 type decision especially now that Manny has looked crap in his recent 2 fights, and is slowing down, but I wouldn't be shocked at a close fight or even a Pacquiao win.

 

In NO Way is REED Absolving Floyd from Fighting Pacquiao:nono:...Cease & Desist w/that Line of Thinking Altogether...The Fight STILL NEEDS To Happen or it'll B to the DETRIMENT of Floyd's Legacy...& it's a SHAME that Floyd Doesn't Feel as STRONGLY about his Chances of Beating Pac as REED does...

But if/when they Fight, he Beats Pacquiao w/Surprising Ease...



REED:mj:

 

I think that Boxrec should let the record reflect this.

It could be an election promise for Obama that he would let the record reflect that Floyd has in fact just beaten Pacquaio via Marquez.

 

I think "never ever" is a bit strong. I would favor PBF but Pac isn't Gatti. HE is fast enough to hit Floyd and hurt him, if Corley can so can Pac. It would be unlikely.The fact the Floyd has ducked the shit out of Pacman just shows what a disgrace he is.

 

I've always been in this bandwagon. Hope the fight gets done.

 

Marquez isn't Gatti either, but that didn't help him against Floyd.

(also, @"Floyd ducked the shit out of Pacman")

 

Sign me up

 

It isn't funny. He is terrified of a man he could beat. Your emperor has no balls. I see humor in many things, but not this. Floyd is a coward.

 

As far as people living in the real world are concerned, Pac ducked Mayweather Jr, just like he blatantly ducked the rubbermatch with Marquez at 130-135.

 

Fuck Floyd.

 

I agree 100%. I always preferred Floyd's "traditional" skills over Pac's sheer speed and unorthodoxy and "on the fly" fighting.

I think the jab, the right hand, packaged as a counter-punching product and served up by a guy who is calm enough to execute it, is enough to get around Pac.

I just think we can't regard Pac as having lost UNTIL HE DOES.

 

In otherwords, just think as we think, we are correct, come join us, blah blah blah.

Floyd fans are not in a position to talk about ducking. Floyd picks more Cherries than the man from Del Monte.

 

Perfect reply to REED's opening post.

Although I agree that the things that seem to bother Pacquiao is counter punching and boxing, there is no guarantee Floyd would be as effective as JMM.

Like MWS says JMM is a lot more aggessive than Floyd is and seems to know exactly how to disrupt Manny's offense. He also isn't afraid to mix it up with Manny and actually seems to get the better of Manny during the rare moments they brawl.

Still JMM has shown the blueprint to beating Manny, and has done the same thing in all three fights. I see no reason Floyd couldn't do the same thing and thus I'd make Floyd a slight favorite over Manny. My only question is if Floyd's chin would hold up.

 

The Only SIGNINFICANT Difference is Floyd's MOBILITY & Marquez's UPPERCUT & COMBINATION Punching...

But it's NOT like Floyd is On his Toe's These Days...Marquez's Defense is MUCH Worse & He's Been Dropped Countless Times...Floyd's Got THE BEST Jab in Boxing; Now ADD In the Downward Trajectory that it'll Have, Facing a Shorter Pacquiao...Floyd's Got THE BEST Lead Right in Boxing, which is THE BEST Antidote for Southpaw's...Manny's Own RIGHT Hand Looked as INEPT as Ever Last Night...Floyd'll Definitely Circle AWAY from Pac's Left, All Night Loooooooooooong...

& Here's the Thing, in 3 Fights @ 3 Different Weights, Marquez has Shown Enough Pop to EARN Pac's Respect...w/Floyd's Strength & Speed ADVANTAGES Over Marquez, it Stands to Reason that he'll ALSO Have More than Enough Pop to Earn Pac's Respect...

Manny's Only REAL Chance is to Go for Broke & Land a HAIL MARY Shot...But he Runs the Risk of Getting COUNTERED Into "Bolivian" for his Audacity...Floyd by Late TKO or 10-2, 9-3 Type of Decision...

if, If, IF he Musters Up the Cashews to Actually MAKE the Fight, that is...

REED

 

It's funny but if only Pac finished the job in the first round of the first fight he wouldn't have this thorn in his side at all . They would have NEVER fought again.

 

SHIT considering how Pacquiao looked last night..if Mayweather doesn't jump at the fight immediately it will just show how worried Mayweather is about fighting him.

Dropping the extra drug testing demands and all....

 

Actually to jump at the fight immediately makes Floyd look even more like a coward. The fact he waits until Manny looks a little vulnerable and all. He should wait a few months at least.

 

Well...now that Pacquaio has appeared to have slowed down a bit, we may see Mayweather actually make a real effort to make this fight happen.

 

You are a total dickhead.

MTF

 

Marquez is Pacquiao's Ken Norton. Those two could fight a million times and no-one would ever be able to say definitively that one is better than the other. JMM, btw, is an excellent, excellent fighter. He aint no bum.

The main differences, for me, is that Floyd now tends to fight very much on the backfoot and relies on single shots to cause damage. The reason why JMM causes Pac so much trouble is because he is willing to sit in the pocket, take the incoming and fire crisp combinations in return. I've thought for a long time that JMM is the best combination puncher in the game right now and have said so more than once in the past. Some of his three and four punch combinations are an absolute joy to behold.

Presuming Floyd can take the incoming, there is no good reason why he couldn't pot-shot Manny to death. But he isn't Marquez. They are similar, but very different.

MTF

 

Floyd is a defensive genius. JMM, on the other hand, is like a rubber ball- you can bounce that guy around but he just gets back up. He's no defensive whizz: he stands in the pocket and unloads his combinations, trusting his ability to take a punch and to return fire with interest.

MTF

 

Mr. Feebles...

These Days, Floyd Doesn't Exactly SHY AWAY from the Pocket...He's ALOT Less Mobile than he Used to Be...After Sugar Shane Hurt him, Floyd Spent Virtually the ENTIRE Fight INITIATING Exchanges in the Pocket...He Did Likewise Against Ortiz...



REED:dancingBaby:

 

That's a fair point. I just don't see him being there as often as JMM is. Marquez entire style is based on it. Floyd's isn't, or certainly isn't usually.

MTF

 

At least this was the fight which makes sure Floyd-Pac gets made.

 

That's a gross over-simplification, not to mention flat out false, to say that PBF brings what Marquez brings, only to a higher, more skillful degree. It's simply not true.

 

Well, it's Admittedly NOT Filled w/Pearls of Wisdom like the "Subtle Science" Of Margarita's DEFENSE or a WHOlio Gonzalez OVER Roy Jones Prediction, but REED thinks it's Pretty ACCURATE, Nonetheless...



REED:mj:

 

The highlighted portion is nonsense.

Braver? Floyd gets rocked by a huge Mosley right hand when he was outta position and his legs quiver. Doesn't Floyd get on his bicycle and run for his life? No...he goes right back at Shane to the point where Shane was on the defensive at the end of that very round.

Powershots? Floyd's lead right hand isn't a power shot? His check left hook? His uppercuts to head and body?

Combos? Perhaps you didn't see the Ortiz or Hatton fights?