Was it the 8th or the 9th round when...

I'm fairly sure it was the 8th or the 9th round, but it might have been the 10th when Pacquiao seemed to go into an entirely different gear, and dominated the round. This was the only round in which he fought in this gear, maintaining a pace and level of intensity we've seen in his more recent fights, but that was for the most part absent in saturday's fight.

Does anyone else recall a round like this on Saturday? In which Pacquiao seemed to turn it up a notch? Only to revert back to his original pace in the very next round? If so, what do you make of it? And what round was it?

 

Dunno what round it was but I do know that Mayweather is the best! :rock1:

 

Yeah there was a round where he started using double feints and throwing clusters of punches, but I spoke to MWS about this too, he never really sustained it. As a Manny fan it was frustrating to watch.

 

He couldn't sustain it because he wasn't facing the type of punching bags that he's been facing recently.

Hatton was punching bag who's confidence had already been shattered in the Mayweather fight.

Cotto is FRAGILE

Clottey just stands there and blocks punches

Margarito is a heavy bag

Mosley is a punching bag

 

He couldn't sustain it because Manny has slowed down and lost his fighting spirit.

In the 1st and 2nd Marquez fights he would launch furious attacks with lots of side to side movement and combos, not this time.

 

:giggle:

If Manny fights the winner of Marg/Cotto in his very next fight, you'll see the very same animal. Then if it fights Marquez after that you'll see the very same "slowed down and lost his fighting spirit". It's not Manny, it's his opponents.

 

I'm delighted that you've finally discovered the significance of a fighter's opponent when it comes to judging his performance and ability. I just wish now that you'd apply this lesson with the same rigor to your assessment of PBF.

 

A Mayweather fan explaining away dominant performances with the standard of opposition, oh the irony

 

:say:

 

This would make more sense if he hadn't done it in previous fights against Marquez.

 

No Sly, it isn't.

If it was, then Manny wouldn't have looked faster, sharper, more agile, and taken more risks in Marquez 1 and 2.

Pacquiao losing rounds and looking so so is down to Marquez, Pacquiao looking slower of hand and foot is down to Pacquiao being almost 33 and finally losing some of his speed, and also his fighting spirit.

 

Precisely. :bears:

 

Did you think Pacquiao looked this way that you're describing in his previous fight?

 

Manny was never in his usual stride, bar a few minutes near the end of the fight. I seriously need to watch this again. Is it up on youtoob yet?

 

Yeah, the Mosley fight is where I and many other people noticed a decline in Manny's physical talent.

I'm not sure why the Floyd groupies are arguing, I guess they're trying to desperately portray the idea that Manny is still prime.

Floyd started slowing down years ago, age 31 or so, I had no problem admitting that. Floyd is no longer prime, but he's still highly effective because of how crafty he is.

Manny is almost 33, and with his high energy style it shouldnl't be a big surprise he's finally slowed down significantly.

There's a pretty big difference in speed and agility between the Hatton Pacquiao and the Mosley/Marquez 3 Pacquiao.

 

Then the entire welterweight division is garbage, these guys you're calling bums and punching bags have been at the top of the division for as long or longer than Floyd has fought in it. Just stop being a retard fan boy already, it's not a good look.

 

They're far from bums...but they are punching bags...in that they are not elusive and/or sharp counterpunchers. They allow a high intensity/stamina guy to just reign in punches on them.

 

Pactards before the fight: Manny is a better and more complete fighter than he was when he fought Marquez previously. He's improved his game and won't get outboxed by being wild and one-dimensional

After the fight: .. Do I really even need to bother? You're making more excuses than Larry Craig.

 

You and mws are the biggest and most retarded fanboys on this entire forum.

 

Say wha? I'll tell you what. You've finally hit upon and important point when it comes to judging a fighter's ability - the level of his competition !!!

Now, if you'd only get your head out of PBF's ass and see that there's no better illustration of this point than when it comes to PBF, you'd really be onto something.

Instead, with your head up PBF's ass, you're only part of the way there.

I'm half tempted to tell you to go back to over-looking level of opposition when it comes to assessing fighters, if it's not going to occur to you to apply this in your judgement of PBF.

 

Manny has a superior WW resume to Floyds. Just know this.

 

Not even close, we can start a poll right now and see. The Floyd fans on here win this hands down. Don't kid yourself, I'm more objective than you and Sly could dream of being.

 

Did Manny look just as good to you on saturday as he did in fights 1 and 2?

You're a fucking idiot.

 

Yep, loadedgloves and Sly are pretty much the worst groupies on the forum. 95% of their posts are Floyd related, and they can't see their arse from their elbows where Pacquiao or Floyd are concerned.

Especially loadedgloves, the angry little muslim.

 

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The only fanboys around here are Sly and loadedgloves tbh.

The other Floyd fans are fans, but not really fanboys.

At least Sly is likeable, loadedgloves is just a horrible little cretin who hangs around like a bad smell.

 

so you're really going to make the claim, based on pacquiao's difficulties with one...yes, one fighter - a special one at that - that his success has simply been a function of facing the right fighters? that he's just lucked out with the style of fighters he's faced? of course, in doing so, you're reducing JMM's success simply as a function of style as well.

 

Lets remember, Floyd was a full welterweight fighting a fat lightweight against JMM (in terms of his muscular size)

Manny was essentially a big Junior welter against another junior welter vs JMM. I wouldnt be surprised if Juan put a few extra lb on after weigh in this time, either, he was lean enough to.

Very important distinction to remember when comparing their two performances, 2 whole weight classes of muscular size is big stuff.