Duran vs Pacquiao at 147lbs

Duran has pretty monstrous advantages in infighting and defense, the gap in those areas are larger than Pacquiao's advantages in hand and footspeed.

 

....versatility, intelligence, physical strength, punch variety, footwork & angling, counter punching.

 

Yup, these talents worked well against Hearns. :atu:

 

*yawn*

 

You can yawn all you want. The point is I'm sick of people overrating Duran based on beating Leonard in the first fight when Leonard elected to go to war with him but choose to justify the Hearns' slaughter, the benitez humbling and the Laing embarrasment.....which all occured during the Fabulous Four timeframe.

Duran = BEATABLE. His career doesn't prove that he could have handled Pacquiao.

 

AKA after Duran's prime.

 

I'm so sick of people overrating Ali, based on a win against Foreman but choosing to justify losses to Ken Norton, Joe Frazier and gift decisions against Jimmy Young and Earnie Shavers. Not to mention the Leon Spinks embarrassment.

And what about Roy Jones getting KTFO against Antonio Tarver & Glen Johnson. Humiliating. Overrated as hell, his fans just make pathetic excuses for him.

 

Nope...you can't do that. In a 135lb matchup between Pac and Duran you can do that. In a 147lb matchup between them we are talking about the version that YOU call post prime.

When I discuss an MM with Ali..I'm referring to the 60s version. With Jones, I'm referring to the pre-Ruiz version.

If you're picking Duran over Pac at 147lbs,...and citing all of these Duran attributes in defense of your position then you are suggesting that he had all of these attributes in that Fab four period. I'm pointing out that he was KTFO in that period, embarrassed and dominated.

ya dig?

 

Careful...you are injecting way too much reason here.

 

The topic is Duran vs Pac at 147. Going outside the framework of the topic smacks of slanting the discussion toward a bias, which is no big surprise in this case.

What Duran did at 154 is immaterial (except for those with an axe to grind against him).

Pac hasn't faced anyone at 154, never mind the likes of Hearns and Benitez, so going there is an argument based on agenda.

I don't see any reason to think Manny is the better fighter at 147.

 

All against people bigger than him, in a period where he clearly lacked motivation and proper training camps.

Pacquiao probably could beat the same Duran that turned up against people like Laing.

Against the Duran that fought Palomino and Leonard he'd have no chance, none whatsoever.

 

Duran prime = -> New orleans. Include New orleans if you like, that's fine. He took 3 of 7 completed rounds with peak Ray leonard running & booty wiggling around a clown ring, that version beats Pac just fine. So the version that fought Palomino & Ray Leoanrd is '147lb' Duran.

Afterwards is no longer prime because he was both severely mentally effected by the farce of that fight and more importantly he no longer fought at 147 anyway, so all that's moot. If you wanna match Duran vs Pac at 154 it becomes relevant.

Sorted?

 

Seriously, the chronology is not THAT fucking complicated.....

 

Reasons are irrelevant. Excuses are irrelevant. Information is irrelevant. Context is irrelevant. Resistance is Futile. You will be assimilated.:fightme:

 

"Duran was at his absolute peak when he quit vs. the great Ray Leonard."

- Hut

 

Absolute peak, no, since he wasn't in peak condition, but still passably prime, yes. The rest of that shit I won't go into again, suffice to say he was only down 4-3 on the cards despite the shameful lengths Ray went to to avoid having to engage in the sport of boxing with him. And that that version would beat Pac.

 

Gotcha...we end in 1980. Fair enough.

On account of him beating an overconfident Leonard who elected to slug with his shorter armed self you say he beats pac.

I guess Max Schmeling beats Sonny Liston and Rocky Marciano on account of him beating Joe Louis.

 

Chronology and context mean nothing here...

 

I've said all I'm gonna on the Duran-Leonard fights. It's all there on film as to what Ray tried to do in each fight and what he was able to do and why. He tried to box against Duran the first time in a 20ft ring, but couldn't. He tried to shamelessly run and demean the sport in the second fight in a 24ft ring and succeeded spectacularly.

 

Yep, a crucial fact skimmed over by Duran haters.

 

Queer.

 

no Duran haters here...just Duran realists.

 

The other one being that he didn't try to 'box' in the rematch but merely fastidiously avoid exchanges at all costs. And was still only up 4-3 in rounds without any actual boxing.

I wish Duran hadn't quit - not for the sake of his reputation - but because there would have been nothing to deflect from the reason he was driven to. That should have been the story of that fight - Ray deserved that.

 

The fact the fight was close detracts from Durans image, not enhances it.

It was a crime Duran walked away with even one red cent. He redeemed himself in the context of his career --- but his actions on the night were disgusting. He absolutely should not have been paid, and Hut, you shouldnt be defending the utterly indefensible.

 

I made no defense of it here. But I will say only one man ran away from a fight in New Orleans and it wasn't Duran.

 

False. As usual.

 

Out of ammo again, Stafford? Not really surprising since you don't have much to back up your posts to begin with.

 

Manny footwork is as good as anyone, tough Duran had superb foorwork so i'll call it even

Manny has better speed, straighter punches and more HEART

 

That's ridiculous, Leonard didn't run in this fight, hell he was often engaging Duran in brutal exchanges.

You sound like a kid who just can't cope with the fact that his hero is not invincible.

Grow up

 

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