Fighting attributes (should be a fun exercize)

Defense (Blocking and/or upperbody reflexes)
Movement (footspeed, intelligent footwork)
Stamina
Chin
Power
handspeed
Counterpunching Reflexes
Adaptability (ability to change strategy and tactics)
Recuperative ability
height and reach (I've combined them, because they work together)
Ring Generalship
Offensive Repertoire
Heart

This list covers all attributes that separate fighters from each other in terms of who beats who ability. How styles mesh together, mentality on fight night etc are under intangibles and so not included. However these intangibles can also effect an outcome, but they can't be properly measured and so they are left as X factors.

Based on the above list, however, let's compare any two fighters against each other and see who wins the most categories...suggesting which one is in fact the better fighter potentially (minus the x factors)

If you think I have a Mayweather agenda with this thread..you are in fact correct this time.

Forgive me also it it reminds you of a Double L thread. ::


I'll start:

Chris Eubank vs Nigel Benn



Defense (Blocking and/or upperbody reflexes) - EUBANK
Movement (footspeed, intelligent footwork) - EUBANK
Stamina - IMMATERIAL DIFERENCE
Chin - EUBANK
Power - BENN
handspeed - BENN
Counterpunching Reflexes - EUBANK
Adaptability (ability to change strategy and tactics) - EUBANK
Recuperative ability - EUBANK
height and reach (I've combined them, because they work together) - IMMATERIAL DIFERENCE
Ring Generalship - EUBANK
Offensive Repertoire - IMMATERIAL DIFFERENCE
Heart - IMMATERIAL DIFFERENCE

Final score: EUBANK 7, BENN 2, TIE 4

Winner Eubank!!

D&Ds attribute counter makes him the more ABLE fighter.


Please add yours.

 

Hagler - Leonard (Primes)

Defense (Blocking and/or upperbody reflexes) - LEONARD
Movement (footspeed, intelligent footwork) - LEONARD
Stamina - IMMATERIAL
Chin - HAGLER
Power - HAGLER
handspeed - LEONARD
Counterpunching Reflexes - LEONARD
Adaptability (ability to change strategy and tactics) - IMMATERIAL
Recuperative ability -IMMATERIAL
height and reach (I've combined them, because they work together) - IMMATERIAL
Ring Generalship - LEONARD
Offensive Repertoire - IMMATERIAL
Heart - IMMATERIAL

Final score: Hagler 2, Leonard 4, Tie 6

Winner Leonard.

 

Ali vs Louis

Defense (Blocking and/or upperbody reflexes) - Ali
Movement (footspeed, intelligent footwork) - Ali
Stamina - IMMATERIAL
Chin - Ali
Power - Louis
handspeed - IMMATERIAL
Counterpunching Reflexes - Ali
Adaptability (ability to change strategy and tactics) - IMMATERIAL
Recuperative ability - IMMATERIAL
height and reach (I've combined them, because they work together) - Ali
Ring Generalship - Ali
Offensive Repertoire - Louis
Heart - Ali


Final Score: Ali 7, Louis 2, Tie 4

Winner: Ali

 

Tyson vs Holyfield

Defense (Blocking and/or upperbody reflexes) - Tyson
Movement (footspeed, intelligent footwork) - Tyson
Stamina - Holyfield
Chin - IMMATERIAL
Power - Tyson
handspeed - Tyson
Counterpunching Reflexes - IMMATERIAL
Adaptability (ability to change strategy and tactics) - Holyfield
Recuperative ability - Holyfield
height and reach (I've combined them, because they work together) - Holyfield
Ring Generalship - IMMATERIAL
Offensive Repertoire - Tyson
Heart - Holyfield

Closest one so far.

Final score: Tyson 5, Holyfield 5, Tie 3

Verdict: Tyson and Holyfield are of equal overall ability.

 

How dare you refer to my threads, as if this one holds a candle to any of them.

This is an interesting exercise, but it should be pointed out that assigning things like power binary values (better or worse) is a gross over-simplification, which is fine, but along with weighting each element equally, it results in conclusions that are nearly irrelevant to the probable outcome of a match-up.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the exercise is pointless. I'm just saying it has very little to do with who wins in a match-up.

 

Only thing missing is the intangible x factors...other than that it's a rather scientific way of measuring who's better than who.


Duran Hearns

Defense (Blocking and/or upperbody reflexes) - IMMATERIAL
Movement (footspeed, intelligent footwork) - Hearns
Stamina - Duran
Chin - Duran
Power - Hearns
handspeed - Hearns
Counterpunching Reflexes - Hearns
Adaptability (ability to change strategy and tactics) - IMMATERIAL
Recuperative ability - Duran
height and reach (I've combined them, because they work together) - Hearns
Ring Generalship - Hearns
Offensive Repertoire - Duran
Heart - IMMATERIAL

Final Score: Hearns 6, Duran 4, Tie 3

Winner Hearns. He's more ABLE than Duran (hence head to head he butchered him)

If peope use my system before placing bets they will make more money.

 

::

 

:: ya like that one huh?

In any event, as soon as I saw that you responded I knew you didn't play the game but just added a smilie or a silly comment.

Come on dude..participate without tongue in cheek humour for once. Just once I beg you. Be serious just once.

JUST ONCE!

 

I'd prefer these variables:

defense:
versatility:
chin :
speed :
control of range :
unreadability (difficulty to neutralize) :
power :
stamina :

 

As Double alluded to, I think they should be given a score of 10, than added up.

Assigning boolean values is too simple, for example one guy might have a SLIGHT edge in 5 categories, and the other guy might have a MASSIVE advantage in 4, your silly list would have the guy with slight advantages as the overall winner, when it would be far from the truth.

 

(lightweight) Duran vs (154) Hearns

defense: 9 vs 9
versatility: 9 vs 8
chin : 9 vs 6
speed : 8 vs 10
control of range : 9 vs 10
unreadability (difficulty to neutralize) : 9 vs 9
power : 8 vs 10
stamina : 10 vs 7

Duran 71 vs Hearns 70

(welter) Floyd vs (welter) Leonard

defense : 9 vs 8
versatility : 9 vs 10
chin : 7 vs 9
speed: 8 vs 9
control of range: 9 vs 9
unreadability: 9 vs 9
power : 6 vs 8
stamina : 9 vs 9

Floyd : 66 vs Leonard 71

(welter) Pac vs (welter) Don Curry

defense: 7 vs 8
versatility: 7 vs 8
chin : 8 vs 8
speed: 9 vs 7
control of range: 8 vs 8
unreadability: 7 vs 9
power: 6 vs 8
stamina: 10 vs 8

62 vs 64

 

It goes without saying this exercise is inherently pointless ::

 

Good point.

 

As are all MM discussions, by definition, for example ::

 

It's an interesting idea, but a proper score is definitely a better implementation, like Hut just did.

 

That's a pretty good list, though IMO Pac is more unpredictable than Curry. The only guy who has really been able to read Manny is Marquez. Even when Morales beat him clearly, he just kind of controlled him rather than read him as well as Marquez did.

In fact I would lower the scores of unreadability for Floyd and Leonard too. Neither one is that unpredictable, they're just very good at what they do.

 

Certainly makes sense.

And with that said:

Duran vs Pacquiao

Defense (Blocking and/or upperbody reflexes) Duran 8, Pacquiao 6
Movement (footspeed, intelligent footwork) - Duran 7, Pacquiao 8
Stamina - Duran 9, Pacquiao 10
Chin - Duran 8, Pacquiao 8
Power - Duran 8, Pacquiao 9
handspeed - Duran 7, Pacquiao 10
Counterpunching Reflexes, Duran 8, pacquiao 6
Adaptability (ability to change strategy and tactics), Duran 7, Pacquiao 6
Recuperative ability - Duran 6, Pacquiao 8
height and reach (I've combined them, because they work together), Duran 5, Pacquiao 5
Ring Generalship, Duran 8, Pacquiao 7
Offensive Repertoire, Duran 9, pacquiao 7
Heart, Duran 8, pacquiao 9

Overal scores: Duran 98, Pacquiao 99

Winner Manny Pacquiao :kidcool:

 

Well that settles it then ::

 

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I love the fact that it's been engineered to have Manny ahead by just 1 point too.

 

pure coincidence.

 

Sly you sure have time on your hands. You're a house husband or something ?

 

Yep. No agenda here.

 

Nah. I be running tings in the office. I man be a very important person. I direct and shit and hire and fire and shit. I only decide to condescend myself to fratenize with some of you low foreheads simply because I am humble.

 

Queer.

 

Floyd, yo

 

I often do, just no time today. Maybe later.

 

and here is the one of the points of this entire thread...now do one with Mayweather...

In bold...bullshit..Recuperative ability score...bs 6 for Duran base on?..Duran has better STAMINA...

 

despite being, it seems, based solely on points.:doh:

 

Yep.

 

Hey Sly, I would like to see if your excersise works on upsets...
Like say...
Tyson-DOuglas
Mayorga-Forrest
Jones-Tarver
Hell lets put Graham-Jackson in there too