'Moving swarmers'

An unusual breed this. Most swarmers live to get inside and stay there, but these guys combine lead volume punching with allot of movement, usually making the other guy follow them.

Can we name some of these?

Ray Robinson
Mel Taylor
Manny Pacquiao
Joe Calzaghe

Any others?

 

Good thread, an interesting breed for sure.

Not sure I would count Robison and Taylor though, do you think their workrates are high enough?

I've never seen WW Robinson but MW Robinson was nowhere near as busy as Pacquiao and Calzaghe.

They are the best examples for sure, they are sort of swarmers, overwhelm guys with workrate, but are not remotely inside fighters, strictly mid range, with a lot of movement.

 

Camacho Sr.

 

Robinson's work rate is deceptively high. Try counting his thrown punches some time, it's surprised the hell out of me.

 

Interesting, I didn't think his workrate was low by any means, but not that high either. I'll try counting.

He just seems like a fairly active boxer puncher. Certainly more aggressive than most, but didn't realise he had a particularly high workrate.

 

Aye, I tried it with a few fights and I don't think I counted a round which was under 90 thrown shots. Surprised me as well. A few were compubox breaking, especially in the Lamotta fights and not a single pitty pat in the bunch. :fightme:

 

Brandon Rios?

Maybe a bit too static, but does like to stay in the pocket and flurry.

 

Good thread. They definitely are a rare breed. Can't really think of many at elite level. Below that, hmm, Gavin Rees maybe?

 

Huh? ::

This is about fighters who DON'T stay in the pocket, guys who move around at mid range and yet swarm the opponent with attacks.

Brandon Rios is just a basic pressure fighter/swarmer who wants to get inside and stay there, he's not remotely a "moving swarmer".

 

BTW Hut I think I might know why Robison's workrate is deceptive.

I think his output is fairly consistant, like he's frequently throwing a punch or 2, compared with say Pacquiao, who will go brief periods just moving around not doing much, then dash in with a furious attack, which perhaps gives the illusion of a higher output than the more relaxed, but consistent pace.

 

Seen.

I totally didn't read the thread #1 post properly, LOL.

 

You hasn't seen, because you has thought Rios was the moving swarmer :kidcool:

 

Tis true. I messed up. I must repent :giggle:

 

Swarming can be defined in more than one way tho, surely?

 

Here it just means 'lead volume puncher'.

 

Also because he never 'flurried'. Every shot was thrown with intent, not to distract from the one after or just to score.

Which makes his volume all the more incredible, really. There were rounds against Lamotta where he was throwing 130 HARD, weight-turned shots in 3 minutes.

 

Still wouldn't classify Robbo as a "swarmer" though

 

Why not? If a guy throws >90 shots a round he's a lead volume puncher.

 

Wouldn't Aaron Pryor be considered in this bracket?

 

I wouldn't call Robinson a swarmer.

 

Taylor FO SHO! Are you mad. Prodigious workrate. Agree with you on Robinson.

Andre Berto? :scared2:

 

If 'swarmer' means lead volume puncher (which it does), then he is one.

 

Didn't Fulmer, Basilo and Lamotta "out-volume" him?

 

Yeah I think so. :Thumbs:

 

I dont remember ever seeing him out volumed, by anybody.

 

Robinson threw an insane amount of punches in most of his fights

 

Basilio took some heavy shots from sugar ray and barely blinked

 

You may be right. My perception is that they outpunched him...but Robinson, although he fought in spurts many times, those spurts were spectacular.

 

Yea, Robinson was never out volumed, but was matched by guys who could give him hell back and could take his shots.

 

Carmen Basilio was a pretty active fighter who liked to come forward but who did have a jab and could box.

Vitali is an odd sort, he "swarms" in that he throws a lot of punches and never always comes forward, is comfortable backing up.

Sometime a fighter can be forced to be an "active swarmer" where the other guy is running- Oscar vs Camacho Sr.