Siaca: Cotto must dominate early to win

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  1. Hex-One

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    http://www.boxingscene.com/siaca-miguel-cotto-dominate-early-win--46450

    Puerto Rican trainer Manuel Siaca Sr. has advised WBA junior middleweight champion Miguel Cotto to attack, and hurt, Antonio Margarito in the early rounds of their December 3rd rematch - taking place at New York's Madison Square Garden.


    I totally agree with Siaca. Cotto must hurt Margarito early to win this. Otherwise Margarito will keep pressing and possibly stop Cotto again. Thoughts?
     
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    I think it would help Cotto if he could dominate Margarito in the middle and late rounds too
     
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    It would help Cotto if he did these three things:

    1- Go to the body early.

    2- Clinch whenever Margarito is close.

    3- Attack Marg's bad eye.
     
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    True,
    I've got money on the underdog here.
     
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    Yeah, pretty much what I was thinking.

    Cotto DID dominate Plasterito in the early rounds of their previous encuonter, before folding under the concrete wraps.
     
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    I agree with all of those. I would add:

    4. Fight to win a decision.

    5. Fight to win the last two rounds.

    6. Only go for ko in last two rounds.
     
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  8. Hex-One

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    I agree. But out of all three I dont see Cotto clinching. I havent seen where they are preparing him to clinch yet. From what I'm able to gather from the training footage is staying off the ropes and moving side to side.
     
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    He moved his way to an ass-kicking last time. I think clinching makes a lot more sense. And going to the body over the head makes sense.

    The way Margarito took Cotto's punches last time without getting affected had as much to do with the win as his probably hard wraps. Cotto landed a lot on Margarito and it just didn't have any effect. Margarito may or may not be able to handle the chin shots the same way this time.

    I wouldn't want Cotto running around, hitting but not hurting Margarito, and getting walked down as Cotto tires. That the formula for the rematch being an easier win for Margarito.
     
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    Cotto can never beat Margarito unless Margarito is shot. If they both have declined equally, Cotto will lose. He just isn't durable. Whether you believe plaster of Paris was a factor in the first fight or not, it just doesn't matter. Cotto only hope is that Mosely and Pacman damaged Margarito so badly, his body betrays him. Margarito beat Cotto because he could take Cotto's shots and Cotto couldn't take his. I am rooting for Cotto though. I hope he really beats him down.
     
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    Cotto must win this. I will feel awful if he doesn't. I just hope be breaks something in Margarito's face, like his....palate. I hope he breaks his palate and the guys brains start to leak into his mouth.
     
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    They both took extreme beatings recently. One against the other. One against Mosley and both against Pacquiao. Margarito seemed to be the most affected by those beatings. Losing by a nasty Ko to mosley and then being sent to the hospital with a fractured orbital bone against Pacquiao. Cotto even said that he was going to aim for Margarito's eye, which seems to be a good idea, but I think going to the body will be more effective in slowing down Marg's workrate, leaving the path clear to punish his face.
     
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    I agree. I don't mean to diminish the disgust I feel about Margarito cheating. I believe he did cheat against Cotto. However, I think had he not cheated he still would have won by knockout. I also think Cotto, who has a great left body hook, neglected the body because Margarito has long arms and a decent uppercut. I don't think Cotto didn't try to hit his body the first time, I think he knew it wouldn't work. He needs to try more though. I agree.
     
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    The commentary for this one is going to be vital. I hope Lampley doesn't have some corny shit all lined up for this. I hope he has something epic.
     
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    It looks to me like their focus is angles, angles, angles, ala Pacquiao when he fought Margarito. Cotto really does need to clinch though. He can't stay there taking uppercuts and bodyshots from Margarito.

    I don't go too much off 24/7, though. They won't show us anything too significant that Team Margarito can pick up on.

    So we'll see.
     
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    Clinching is illegal. And to Cottos credit, he's never had to resort to illegalthe tactics.
     
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    Fuck that....COTTO NEEDS to clinch every fighter clinches.

    From the training footage it seem Cotto will try to use the Mosley strategy, a flurry of punches down the middle...but instead of clinching the way Mosley did, he will try to step around Margarito similar to Pacquiao..
     
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    It is. And its the favorite tactic of guys with no defense like berto.
     
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    Clinching is a part of the game. Excessive holding is illegal, subject to the referee's interpretation of same.
     
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    What's the difference between holding and clinching?
     
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    For me, the clinch is an event or a happening- something which comes about naturally during the course of an exchange or a series of exchanges. Fighters often fall into clinches without any premeditation.

    Holding, on the other hand, occurs when the clinch is repeatedly initiated, elongated and repeated by one fighter in particular, usually to avoid fighting at all.

    If a guy clinches 30 times in a fight but also throws 400 punches, you can't say he does a lot of holding. If on the other hand a guy clinches 60 times a fight and throws 150 punches, then......you might have a case for holding.
     
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    Fucking Margarito.....:flip:
     
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    be some punch, wouldn't it?:giggle:

    Left Hook into the mouth, right to the Palate
     
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    to break somebody's palate, you need to deliver a knuckle shot right to the bony sweet-spot above the upper-lip and just beneath the nose. No way back.
     
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    The key here is Cotto never once hurt Margarito. I just hope He lands a shot and Margarito's eye pops out and lands in Larry's Martini.
     

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