Macini wins easily. Fighters in the 80's were better than today. The guy went 14 rounds with Alexis Arguello and was competitive for 3/4 of the fight. He would smash Corrales. Corrales is a very average fighter on the world level. I liked him. He was a true warrior. Doesn't mean I have to lie about him. Mancini would smash his china chin in and win by kayo. It would be one sided and brutal.
I disagree... It's an awesome fight, a slugfest all the way and while I think Corrales definitely gets dropped at least once and wobbled numerous times, he also lands plenty of left hooks and hurts Ray back... Arguello was indeed far better than Corrales, but it's different styles... Both tall and powerful, but Corrales flaws actually make it more likely for him to catch Ray, because he would seem more open, Mancini would take more chances, try to pound him on the inside, Corrales fought well when hurt, and he would be hurt here often. I think Chico eventually gets to Ray with a late barrage
I couldn't disagree more. Chico was just a different level of fighter. He was bottom rung world class. He was a rung lower than even Felix Trinidad. He could punch and that is it. Arguello not only hit harder, he was the sharpest puncher in history. A guy who is going life and death with a skilless bum like Jose Luis Castillo, isn't beating Boom Boom ever.
The style thing is important, in my opinion. Corrales flaws make him dangerous against a marauding, aggressive banger like Mancini... Arguello hammered Mancini as much because of his ability to not give him the openings to let his hands go as he did with his phenomenal punching Corrales was a guy who got back into fights when he looked dead because he was likely to let the hooks fly when he was in that kind of shape... I can absolutely see him rocking an attacking Mancini the same way he rocked Castillo
Castillo couldn't mow Mancini's lawn. I really don't like bashing Chico as a fighter. I think people root for him for he was in the ring rather than what he did. The guy had an awful chin. One guy can clearly take punishment and the other can't.
It's a protracted, drawn-out battle. Lots of action...maybe the odd canvas visit...and at the end, Mancini wins it. Did I really just read Castillo was a, "skilless bum?" ::
Yes, a skilless bum. He was a weight cheat is entire career. I doubt he ever made 135 and once he got caught, he couldn't do it again. I predicted years before it happened that once he moved up, he would get slaughtered and that is exactly what happened. The guy won in a gman fashion.He just wore down smaller fighters. He did nothing well, except cheat. Even then, he still would get stopped by Tijuana mechanics every now and again. Never has a man made more of a career in losing to someone. He couldn't even beat Diego Corrales on the level.
Corrales couldnt beat him on the level, either. I flat defy you to watch Castillo go to work on the inside and call that skilless. Castillo wasnt an especially talented guy --- a lot of his results were borne from his craft. At the height of his career, it would not have been unreasonable to rank him among the top-15 or 20 fighters in the world.
Ok. Where would you rank Julio Alvarez or Javier Jagerui if that is the case? I have seen plenty of Jose Luis Castillo. He had zero craft or skill and as far as I am concerned he never even won the title getting not one but 2 gift decisions.He did beat Mayweather though quite clearly. I am amazed although Floyd had exactly zero working arms.
Do you think Mayweather, Corrales, Johnston, and Casamayor would agree with you? Just outta curiosity.
It depends on if the fighter won or lost. Mayweather would say yes because he got a gift and then beat him. Corrales=yes but they were on the same level, for different reasons. Now, I would never want to compare their skill level. Corrales had good skills, he just had no chin or defense. Johnston =would say he was robbed and he would be right. Casamayor= would say he won and he really did.
What are you contending? Castillo did what he did SOLELY as a result of having am extra ten pounds on these guys? I would find that difficult to believe had I never seen him fight, but since I have, I know it not to be true.
You can't be serious with this. A skilless bum doesn't give Floyd Mayweather 2 tough fights. Castillo wasn't an all time great but he wasn't a bum either.
I just think corrales' hand-speed would be the difference -between he'd win the exchanges. Not only that, his punches were shorter. Mancini wasn't a no artist type. He didn't hit you with shots you never saw. He put honest power on his and threw nice combos but he simply wasn't the assassin forsakes was. I think this fight plays out like corrals/cardiac.
I agree with the general opinion that Corrales would've won by late TKO. But its REALLY a pick em fight basically. Mancini winning by late TKO is almost just as likely. But yeah, gun to my head..... Corrales TKO 11.
He defeated Floyd when he had 2 injured hands. He could have beaten any fighter in history with the same condition. The second fight was not close at all even though the judges were merciful because they robbed the bum the first time. This isn't trolling. The guy was not a good fighter. I call him a bum because he had no professionalism.
Oh stop with the excuses. Lol Both fights were close. The 2nd one Floyd won no doubt but it was competitive and Castillo's inside game gave him some problems. If he was a bum, Diego would have KO'd him within 4 but he couldn't do that now, could he? Castillo may not have been Julio Cesar Chavez but he was still a very formidable fighter. Stevie Johnston, Floyd Mayweather, and the late Corrales himself would attest to that.
Let's see.. Mancini KILLED a guy in a famous fight in the 80s and Corrales was beat down by the hated Floyd Mayweather. Ergo...the majority of this forum (without reading this thread) has probably picked Mancini by KO. I'm not sure though. Corrales was more powerful, faster hands, and at his best had stamina to match mancini. I think Diego beats him down eventually after a competitive war.
Just read through the thread and I'm happy to see that common sense has prevailed over 80s bias/Floyd hatred. There's hope for everyone yet.
