John Mugabi vs Felix Trinidad at 154lbs

Can Tito tame the beast?

 

Indeed, and in very violent fashion.

 

word.

 

Yeah, maybe the same Mugabi Terry Norris was in there with

the Mugabi who was actually good would give him a good scare

I'd still like Trinidad because when you were there in front of him, he was dangerous as hell... but Mugabi would be hands down the strongest puncher he's ever fought, a rough and powerful guy... Trinidad would not have it easy by any stretch

 

Tito is bigger than Mugabi IMO and can take it better. Tito would also be the most powerful guy Mugabi faced as well (including Hagler).

 

Mugabi at his 154 prime truly was a beast. With his scary power and ability to end a fight early, he has a serious chance of getting Tito out of there early. Tito's ability to get hurt/dropped early is much ballyhooed, but getting of the canvas and back into the fight against Mugabi is different story than doing so against Oba Carr, David Reid or most of the other fighters who did so. And even if it goes some rounds, it's not like Mugabi was helpless after a few rounds.

Now again...this is a prime Mugabi...not the one who fought Norris later on.

I know I will incur the wrath of Tito fans...but I see Mugabi as a really bad match-up for Tito.

 

Shut up. issed:

 

I think this may be the first time I pick Tito in MM. Both chinny and overrated, Tito was better and sharper and he lacked disgusting tropical diseases.

 

Actually, I think you do have a fair point.

Mugabi would be the hardest puncher Trinidad ever fought. And there's no telling how Tito reacts if/when he gets dropped against him.

But Trindad would also be the biggest puncher Mugabi ever fought too.

Would come down to who got to whom first.

 

Trinidad/Thiam...as long as Tito has his wraps.

 

Without wraps I'd have to pick Mugabi to beat him down.

 

Of course because an extra layer of guaze makes all the difference in the world between a devastating puncher and a feather fisted puncher.

 

Tito could still punch, no doubt, those swinging hooks that he would load up on after setting his feet for 3 or 4 seconds were undeniably powerful, but without several compacted layers of tape and gauze, I can't help but feel some of the weight and steam is taken out of those punches.

 

And is power disappeared once he was exposed for the Puerto Rican Margarito that he was.

 

Mugabi was not chinny... It amazes me that people are unaware of how useless he was by the time he was in there with guys like Norris and McClellan... it was not the same guy who was walking through one guy after another and gamely trying his best against a rampaging Hagler

 

The Mugabi of the Hagler fight probably knocks out Tito in a war. That guy really was a beast.

 

Yeah, he was a lot better than people seem willing to fathom

 

Tito survives a VERY scary moment in the first 2 rounds, and rallies back to stretch Mugabi within 5-6.

In this case, it is about styles. Tito wasnt as good as Hagler (even a faded Hagler) HOWEVER, he was a much bigger puncher than Hagler ever was.

Tito vs Jackson, now THATS a different story. I think Julian would have wasted Tito.

 

He was tiny. Hagler should have knocked him out in 6 rounds. Overrated. A guy like Benn would have stretched him in a round. He's elevated only to try to justify Hagler taking 11 rounds to be rid of him.

 

If he landed first, sure. With Jackson a KO is always likely. But make no mistake...Tito was a better fighter than Jackson was.

 

Pathetic attempt to downgrade Hagler in order to make Hopkins' crappy 160 lb resume look better.

Folks who have seen most of Mugabi's fights know his true worth. You on the other hand....

 

Based on what?

Would you pick Carr, Campas, Vargas, Reid, or Joppy over Jackson?

 

tito would've fought w/ more caution against jackson. he would've beaten him down at 154 en route to a stoppage. as for mugabi, what has he done at 154? if it's the same mugabi from the old hagler fight, i'd still pick tito at 160.

 

No it's not the same Mugabi. It's the mythical version that was an absolute beast at 154. You know, the one that destroyed Frank "The Animal" Fletcher and Hard Rock Green. With credentials like that, Tito is no match.

 

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Yeah I'm sure Ricardo Mayorga would say the same thing:boohoo:

 

He was pretty clearly larger than Hagler

he's diminished in order to detract from Hagler

 

So you are saying that Mugabi was the same when he fought Terry Norris as he was when he fought Marvin Hagler?

You are saying there weren't two occassions where he quit boxing and got whale fat before being coaxed back? You are saying he wasn't a super middleweight fighting tomato cans with losing records after "winning a title" on a freak accident and then dropping 15 pounds to a weight he hadn't fought at in years to fight Terry Norris?

The only mythical thing here is the insistence that Mugabi was a soft touch in 1986

 

But you're overrating him in order to BOOST Hagler.

Saying he'd last 10 rounds with the 160 Roy.

Cmonnnnn.

 

I'm rating him exactly where he was

I've no reason to boost Hagler, I'm indifferent to him, he's not a favorite of mine

John Mugabi was a formidable fighter, end of story.

The 160 Roy was a still maturing fighter, he hadn't become "ROY" yet... and when did he ever throw caution to the wind against someone who hits like that? Roy would pot shot for a while, make the guy miss, break him down... there's no way he just goes right for the kill against a guy who has only the puncher's chance against him... Jones never fought that way against guys he knew could hit... Jones was too smart for that, he would not risk going after Mugabi until he was damn sure he had the guy tired and frustrated. There is not a thing on his track record to suggest he goes on some all-out blitz against Mugabi...

You make it sound I'm saying Mugabi would be competetive, I'm not... It's a shutout... but you guys are telling fairy tales if you think Roy Jones blows him out in a handful of rounds