John Mugabi vs Felix Trinidad at 154lbs

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I'd say Roy entered his prime in the Tate fight, which was at 160.

Mugabi wouldnt last more than a few rounds with the Tate fight Roy.

 

Yeah, clearly that's what I'm up to :wack:

"John Mugabi loses every minute of every round before being knocked out when Jones decides to step on the gas in around the 10th" -ME

yeah, fucking ringing endorsement, that

 

for this fight, Mugabi would definitely hurt Tito, maybe worse than anybody ever did, but I still like Trinidad to get off the deck and come back to win it by KO later

 

No way X. Cdogg has a solid grasp on Mugabi and his career.

If anyone is revising and spin-doctoring, it is Stafford who is trying to sell Mugabi as "tiny", and "overrated" and exactly the same fighter he was in 1986 as he was when he fought Norris and McClellan. And his previous comments regarding Mugabi's opposition are laughable...but that is what happens when BoxRec is used in place of actual knowledge of the fighter. This Mugabi kick that he is on is just part of his agenda to downgrade Hagler's 160 lb resume in the attempt to make Hopkins' more palatable.

 

You really are the worst poster here.

 

Seriously, you would think you or I were on here calling Mugabi a great fighter

We are basically correcting the notion of his being a chinny bum and it's turned in to "OHHH!!! YOU'RE A HISTORIAN!!! OH!!! YOU ARE JUST... JUST... YOU ARE SAYING... HAGLER!!!"

 

Im saying I never saw the 154 lb invincible beast thats been suggested. Hagler-Mugabi was 160.

 

The guy who was knocking everyone in his path stone dead prior to Hagler looks a pretty formidable guy to me... Hell the guy losing to Hagler looks game and tough

And that's just it, no such "invincible beast" was suggested to start with. Chinless, tiny bum was suggested. So in order to not be the latter, he has to be the former? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

The guy was a huge puncher, could take a punch and had a string of utterly vicious KOs over solid opposition on his way to Hagler... Nobody said he was some legendary fighter.

 

However you could say basically the same as for Trinidad but replace 'Hagler' with 'Hopkins'.

 

Though, I'd say Trinidad fought more good fighters than Mugabi and was a more polished fighter

I've not downgraded Trinidad one bit in this thread

 

Well in that case I think I should chime in with Tito was an overrated, 1 dimensional scrub, who took 3 or 4 seconds to set his big floppy legs in order to land his only real weapon, the vaunted left hook, and also never beat an elite fighter, and got downright embarrassed by every elite fighter he fought ::

 

In fairness, I take greater issues w/ BWJ's post. I agree, the posts you offered were very balanced.

But that's why I quoted Joe in that same post. I personally think he's overrating Mugabi, and was quick to dismiss Trinidad's level of comp or at leas the guys he came back to KO/beat up after getting dropped.

Honestly, Mugabi never beat anyone that Trinidad couldn't have handled in similar if not more dominant fashion which is why I don't get why one guy is being built up and the other downgraded.

I personally see it as a mismatch in Trinidad's favor. Of course Mugabi has a puncher's chance - but when was that ever enough against Tito?

 

had a string of utterly vicious KOs over "solid" opposition on his way to NORRIS as well.

Motherfucker is overrated. "The beast" my ass. Nigel Benn would have done away with him in less than 2 rounds. Tiny Middleweight, dodgy whiskers.

 

False.

BoxRec should come with this warning:

Warning: Depending on BoxRec too much in the effort to look like you know more than you actually do will backfire in your face more often than not.

 

I definitely was not in any way trying to denigrate Trinidad as much as I was trying to rid the forum of this idiotic revisionism of Mugabi's actual worth in his prime. I appreciate the bolded part, Jake, cheers

I too, pick Trinidad... but I do think he'd get decked hard early and hurt... But regardless of what anyone has to say of Trinidad, the guy had a great ticker and a tremendous ability to get up off the deck to come back and win, and I think he'd do so here, he'd start puching inside of Mugabi's wider shots with those nice combinations and he'd get John out of there eventually

 

NO he didn't

I don't get why you persist with this, you've been corrected on it about 800 times by now.

 

Well...you didn't exactly quote me. I didn't call Mugabi an "invincible beast"...you added the "invincible"...as an exaggeration, I guess.

And I never said Mugabi definitely wins or that it would be one sided. What I DID say is I thought Mugabi was a bad matchup for Tito and that with his power and ability to end a fight early he would be a very dangerous opponent for Tito. Lesser punchers/finishers have had success against Tito early and I don't see any reason Mugabi couldn't do the same or more.

And I stand by that. And to be honest, I know Tito is one of your all time favs and I think maybe you're overreacting a little because of it. I never downgraded Tito's overall level of opposition. What I said was different than than that. But...you're a good poster, and if you think Tito wins, I'm sure you have given it some serious thought (unlike some others). So i guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

And to me, if there was anything that caused the extended Mugabi discussion...it is the ridiculous notion that he was "tiny" and "chinny" and that he was the same fighter during up to and including the Hagler fight and the Norris/McClellan fights. Which just isn't true.

 

Fun fight. Mugabi puts Trinidad down twice before succumbing in ten rounds.

The Beast would be a good test of Tito's three outstanding attributes --- power, desire, and conditioning.