Pet Peeves in boxing

It's a good way of describing size.

Donaire has a big frame for his weight class, Alvarez has a tiny frame for a 154 pounder, as does Pacquiao.

IMO chunkiness is not as important as frame size in boxing, or even close actually.

There are only a handlful of fighters that have been highly successful with a small frame for the division, the 3 that stand out are Tyson, Duran, and Pacquiao.

 

And Valuev.

 

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Big Frame = Big Advantage. It's the whole reason fighters sweat down to lower weight classes, even when it means possibly weakening themselves. Apparently, even given the weakening that occurs, it's still an advantage.

PBF is scared shitless of big-framed fighters. It's why he likes the JMM's, the Ortiz's and the Judah's at 147.

 

Ortiz has a small frame? Shane Mosley? To say nothing of guys like Diego Corrales earlier in his career..

I think you and MWS are both confusing "height" with "frame" .. eg, Tyson had a massive frame

 

Tyson has a small but incredibly dense frame.

Big frame = tall and wide, big reach, long legs etc too.

You look at a picture of Tyson next to Chris Eubank, in clothes they literally look the same size, of course Tyson is the bigger more powerful man because his frame is so much denser and chunkier.

In MMA frame doesn't mean much, which is why GF is getting his knickers in a twist etc, in fact a lot wrestlers do VERY well with small, chunky frames, they're so solid with good centre of gravity etc.

But like Double says, in boxing it counts for a lot, and it's why boxers maximise their FRAME for any given weight class.

It's one of the reasons Nonito slaps around his opponents like children.

And LG, yes Ortiz and Mosley both have pretty small frames at 147, without question, as does Berto, as does Cotto.

Big framed welters are Cintron, Williams, Plasterito, De La Hoya, Trinidad etc.

Speaking of Floyd - the biggest framed fighters he fought are Castillo and Oscar. Look how those fights played out compared to every other.

 

I've a big frame

 

PBF himself is a small-framed welterweight. This might be how he's justified ducking so many big-framed ones.

 

Yes. Jim Watt noted it seconds into Vitali vs Williams. Williams had a 20lb weight advantage, wasn't fat at all, and Watt immediately noted "look at the difference in the frames of these two men".....It's basic physics, in my opinion. The weight isn't key, its how it is displaced. When we are building electric bikes, the key rule is to keep the weight low {center of gravity} and long {stability under hard acceleration} Kind of like your dick.

 

Here's a great refereeing performance. No getting between them, no starting all over again 10 seconds later with 9 feet between them, just a swift clutch at Hearns' arm and it gets pulled the hell off of there. No fuss. 'No clinching Tommy, stop that shit.'

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Why isn't this the standard approach? Who trains them?:dunno:

 

What big frame fighters did he not fight besides Williams and Margarito?

Last i checked, De La Hoya had a BIG FRAME and so too did Ortiz.

 

Oscar had a big frame and Floyd struggled.

Ortiz is not a tall man by any stretch. He had a "functioning weight advantage", not even HBO tried to work in some vaguely defined formula about frame.

 

We need some frame4frame matchups to MM

 

I'm not sure I'd say Ortiz was a 'big framed' welter, in the way it's being discussed here. He has more of a chunky MMAist frame.

 

Even though Ortiz is the biggest welterweight Lampley has ever seen, the fact is, the guy does not have a big frame.

PBF has avoided big-framed welterweights for the most part, with ODH being the biggest framed guy he's faced.

 

If you think about it, there's a good chance that HBO recently endeavored to test the possibility that hyperbole works to sway viewer opinion.

You had Emmanual Steward claim that Linares was the most talented fighter he'd ever seen. And along with that, Lampley declaring Ortiz as the biggest welterweight he'd ever seen.

Both cases were at best wrong, and at worst, flat-out lies.

 

Yep, he has a small frame by 147 standards, just fairly beefy.

 

Shhhhhhhhh....don't even go there. ::

 

Ok then I concede the point:

Floyd Mayweather is scared to death of big framed Welters! ::

 

Bravo Staffo :bears:

 

I don't mind punch stats numbers although I really don't count on that to determine a winner of a fight.

But that bullshit thing that HBO came up with where they show you the % of shots on different parts of the body. They highlight parts of the body to show you where fighters do more damage.

maybe for a casual fan that helps. To me it's just annoying and useless.