Bit of an over simplification to say the least. Hearns was hardly just "a welterweight", he was the hardest punching WW ever, and probably the biggest. He was still a puncher at middleweight, plus Haggles took plenty of other big punches from middleweights.
One doesn't have to do with the other and many people would indeed say Lamotta had the superior chin.
come on, really??? Yeah, a "welterweight" who twice won the LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT title and knocked a champion Light Heavyweight (Dennis Andries) down 6 times
You can also twist the logic even further if you want. Hagler took the "welteweight's" bombs and won the fight. Lamotta was stopped by a welterweight therefore Hagler has the superior chin. It's a shortcut to thinking.
I don't think that Hagler was hit cleanly that often by Hearns. Imo thats an overated fight as Hearns was very inneficient in that fight. It was mostly a beat down.
Hagler took some good shots in the first round, it was actually a short right uppercut and then a looping right hand around the guard that stunned him. Hearns later landed some winging right hands around the guard, I don't think he truly hit him with his "Sunday Punch" though, that long straight right hand with lots of leverage behind it that took out Cuevas, Duran, Shuler, etc.... <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/5s--I8BsgDU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
That was the shot that broke Tommy's hand.. right on the side of Hagler's dome. He stepped back for a second, then went right back at it. That shot would've decked any other middleweight, and probably most light heavies. Hagler was inhuman.
he could have been knocked out 20 times at 175 and it wouldn't change the fact that at 160 pounds, he had one of the best EVER Julio Cesar Chavez had an undentable chin until the very end, but I think its a safe assumption he would have been knocked into oblivion at 154 pounds... that has no bearing on how utterly insane it was from 130-140
I have seen boxers not hurt by shots seem more affected than Hagler who was clearly hurt. Hagler was a beast.
Not really 'incredible'. Hearns' stopping power was at 147lb and usually came with the straight, right. He was a killing-machine at 147lb. The KOs dried-up significantlyat higher-weights. The shot that Hagler took was at 160lb and wasn't it a short right-hand, in the middle of trading during Rd1? Hagler would, at the very least have been 'ready' for any incoming...
Hearns and Mugabi were the only HUGE punchers he faced..and Mugabi was tiny. Hearns definitely shook him up in that first minute of round 1 (when all hell broke loose). Still...no doubt that Hagler's chin was rock solid. Even more telling than the Hearns fight (Hearns damaged his hand in that wild first minute and didn't throw it was real FORCE after that) was the way Hagler took Leonard's punches IMO. Hagler walked through Leonard's punches as if they were coming from a teenage girl. Now Leonard wasn't a one punch puncher by any means but he still hit pretty hard. Hagler didn't even blink. It was THAT fight that told me how strong hagler's chin was actually. Funny though...I think a prime Roy Jones at 160lbs had the type of power and way of fighting that could have seen Hagler more visibly shaken than any of his challengers manged to let us see.
wrong the competition improved.... there's no 15-16 fight cushion form the beginning of the career against nobodies like there is at welter again, watch Hearns/Roldan, Hearns/Shuler, Hearns/Andries (at 175, for crying out loud) and tell me the power was a myth
Eugene Hart was a monstrous puncher, as was Bennie Briscoe, but I don't expect a boxing philistine like you to have any knowledge of those guys
This "Mugabi was tiny" revisionism is beyond old. And you don't know anywhere enough about Hagler's career outside of the Hearns, Leonard and Duran fights to intelligently comment on it.
Yes. Hagler's chin was among the very best ever. And anyone disputes that should stop watching boxing and maybe take up tetherball instead.
he had the type of weight advantage to hurt hagler, maybe. or maybe he wouldve ended up like his father
i thought hart buzzed hagler in the 6th round with the only clean shot he landed (possibly a different round) vito antuofermo walked right through harts shots. no doubt about his power however, if briscoe/hart grew up in boxing rather than doing it basically as a side job they couldve been world champions. guys like hagler, duran, etc have overrated chins and underrated defense. margarito has a steel chin.
Eugene hart was two fights away from retirement at the end of his career and was getting knocked out by everyone up to that point. Huge puncher against a bunch of bums early in his career, sure. Couldn't KO watts, Monroe, Briscoe though. Not even Eddie Mustafa Muhammad. Basically he lost to any and every half decent fighter he faced. Take Hart and shove him up your ass. GTFOH with that shit. :giggle: Briscoe? What decent guy did Brisco KO? You're just pulling names out of your ass.
Exactly, it's hard to gauge the extent of Hagler chin, since he so rarely get hits with clean shot. Tough the guy was without a doubt one of the harder fighter to ko (wich his more important than merely having a great chin)
Briscoe has a huge punch, rocked monzon world, but I rebember Hagler mostly jabbing and moving against him
What does this even mean? I wasn't aware Muhammad was so easily KO'd??? You can be an absolutely ludicrous puncher and never beat anyone good... Andy Ganigan had one real big win in his whole career, but only a moron (like you, for example) would think he wasn't a monstrous hitter... it was ALL HE HAD Same goes for Hart, he hit like a truck, he just had no stamina, a shaky chin, poor defense, all bad... the fact that he was a contender at any point is due to the fact that his left hook was a preposterous shot, ridiculously heavy Briscoe never beat anyone decent??? really? I would absolutely bet big money that you have A) never seen a single fight of his, B) are in no position to judge any of his opponents, because oyu've never seen any of them either... you know nothing about the era or the fighters or the fights But if you want to know if Briscoe could punch, watch Monzon's title defense against him and pay particular attention to the 9th round... Monzon never came closer to losing it all than it that round when Briscoe was a punch or two away from knocking him dead... it's a testament to how great Monzon was and how tough he was that he weathered it Talking to you about this is really pointless, you don;t know anything about the fights or the fighters, you just read BoxRec and make shit up (which is why you think John Mugabi was on some awesome world-class tear in 1989)
