Roy Jones & Bob Foster. 12 Rds...

Foster Certainly WAS NOT a PURE Counterpuncher, C-Doggy-Dogg...Especially Against Lightheavy's, Foster Did Most of the LEADING...

There's OFFENSIVE & DEFENSIVE Jabs...Foster's was OFFENSIVE...Instead of Jabbing to Keep his Foe @ a Distance, Foster FOUND RANGE w/his Jab...He Used his Jab to Get Close Enough to Land his HEAVIER Shit...

Foster Jabbed w/the Intent of Eventually Knocking U DEAD...Guys like Griffin Successfully Jabbed Roy on the Strength of Being SATISFIED w/JUST Making Contact...DEFENSIVE, POINT SCORING Jabs...Totally Unlike the Intent Foster's Jab had...

It's Funny how Roy's Lightheavy Resume is Criticized, Even Though it's BETTER than Foster's...Building On That, Roy Jones had MORE Success @ Heavy (In 1 Bout), than Foster EVER Had as Well...Sure, Foster Lost to the Likes of Ali & Frazier, while Roy Merely had to Beat John Ruiz...But by that Same Token, Foster Lost DECISIVELY to Guys like Ernie Terrell, Doug Jones & Zora Folley, who were All Capable of LOSING to Ruiz Themselves, Stylistically...

Athletically, Roy's in Another Stratosphere than Foster AND he BEAT Better Guys...Foster Would B @ a Decided Disadvantage in Handspeed, but Footspeed/Mobility Would B an Even HIGHER Mountain for him To Climb...

In a 12 Rounder, Roy BEATS Foster 6 or 7 Times Out of 10...




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The only problem I see Roy having with Foster is his height and reach. Foster was nearly as tall as Ali and had an equal reach. Thus, when Ali was used to pulling back and slipping punches Foster was able to land a jab and right hands after it.

"However"

Once yu got inside his reach he would have been fucked...just like he was against Frazier who was much shorter, didn't have as long of a reach and no where near the handspeed or reflexes of Roy.

I don't believe Roy blitzes Foster but I think he wins a clear cut decision and hurts Foster along the way.

 

Don't really get the Frazier comparison. Roy fights from way outside.

 

referring to Roy and his check hook in comparison to how Frazier leaping in with his lefthook to blaze Foster.

Foster's less likely to get out of the way of Roy's than he was Frazier's...and we see how he did in getting away from Joe's.

 

I don't really draw any conclusions from that, tbh. It's a 'hook' and a 'hook', but the styles are just too different.

 

I'd say the fact Fraizer just walked through Foster's punches, consistently got inside to crowd him was what blazed Foster rather than his hook, specifically

 

No, Roy Wouldn't TAKE 2 to Land 1, to Get Close Enough to Land his Left Hooks, but R U DENYing that Roy was Quick Enough to Leap In & LAND a Meaty Hook on Foster???...




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Well, if Foster is the nothing but tall bum that Musze is making him out to be, sure

Foster's jab is one of the most dominant ever and he was content to beat you up with it if you weren't going to come any closer to him or engage... Both of his fights with Pierre Fourie (who was actually a pretty good fighter and a fine boxer, better than most of Foster's or Roy's challengers) bear this out

It was also nowhere near as easy to get to Foster or land on him as Musze is suggesting. And getting there meant a terrible price would have to be paid first... The Frazier comparison is fucking daft... Foster hit him with about 50 powershots but he couldn't move him at all, Frazier just took the shots and kept firing the hook, it had fuck-all to do with some offensive technique on Joe's part or a defensive flaw on Foster's part. I still can't even believe the comparison was made to begin with.

The truth of this fight is that it's a pick-em and a difficult fight for BOTH GUYS... Both are insanely superior to their respective opponents. Both have traits (Jones unorthodox angles and speed, Foster's height, timing and ability to throw with incredible power at long range or short range) that would trouble the other... Anyone who thinks that either guy gets dominated is a dolt, in my opinion.



I also fail to see how Roy's Lt. Heavy resume was appreciably better than Foster's, they both dominated largely awful divisions

 

No, but I'm saying the hook wasn't what made Fraizar successful against Bob. If Joe had had the same attributes/style and favoured the overhand right the fight woulda went the exact same way. It's a hook and a hook in the same way a ferrari and a strawberry are both 'red'

 

Weighing 30 pounds more and knowing exactly what to do with that advantage is what worked for Joe against Foster... to break it down to some sort of strategic thing is absurd

 

Foster's timing, range accuracy and sheer skill pose novel problems for Roy in the same way Roy's phenomenal speed does for Bob. I'm not personally of the opinion that Roy was a superman, qualitatively different from every fighter in history, I know that's sometimes a minority opinion.

It's a fucking GREAT fight. I might even pay crazy American ppv prices to see it

 

This^

Anyone who thinks Bob Foster gets "Richard Hall" treatment from anyone needs to be put to death

 

I didn't notice Bob being generally vulnerable to the left hook in his career - I bet you've seen more of it than me. :dunno:. As you say, what he was definitely vulnerable to guys who could walk through his shots like the tide coming in and throw heavyweight punches at him.

 

Indeed

THe punch Foster was hit the most with was the overhand right, because it's the punch you could at least touch him with if you were shorter (and basically everybody was) ... The Left hook was generally a punch fighters AVOIDED throwing against Foster because he had one fo the best hooks of all time... I find it incredible that guys are in here talking about having success leaping in with left hooks against a guy who threw maybe the shortest heaviest left hook of anyone ever... Both Dick Tiger and Mike Quarry were put literally to sleep with COUNTER left hooks that couldn't have traveled more than 5 inches, both were caught cold and clean coming in... most guys avoided throwing hooks at Foster because of that tendency... If you look at Foster's record before he retired in '74 (let's ignore the ill-fated comebacks years later when he was a washed-up old man) he never lost a single fight to a Light Heavyweight... In his TENTH pro fight he lost to Doug Jones (Foster was 174, Jones 183) and in his thirteenth pro fight he lost to another solid contender in Mauro Mina by decision (again, Mina was 180, Foster 175) ... other than those early on defeats, he lost to nobody at or near light heavyweight... Foster's problems in his prime were against guys who outweighed him by huge amounts... Terrell (3 inches taller, 20 pounds heavier, and the stoppage was controversial) Folley (31 pounds heavier)... we have already discussed Frazier... Ali (nearly 42 pounds heavier) ... what troubled Foster was fighting guys way fucking bigger than him... The same punches that laid one light heavyweight after another at his feet had no real effect on these comparatively huge guys... It's amazing that to this day it is still used to denigrate him...

 

Word. These are two of the best, at worst, five LHW's in history. This would be an epoch defining fight.

MTF

 

RJJ by UD

 

which is precisely what I'd said when talking about Foster bringing his left back to his waist after throwing it. It's not as though Foster was this indestructible force of nature. He could be beaten and had flaws that played into Roy's strengths.

Personally...I don't think Foster poses that much of a problem for Roy outside of his height and reach. I think Spinks is more of a threat to beat Roy than Foster. Spinks is roughly the same height as Foster and is a southpaw which obviously is an issue for Roy and his style.

As far as the guys mentioned that Foster beat etc...not a single one of them possesses any of the attributes Roy does. Sure if you're standing in front of him or much slower than him he's going to walk you down and beat you. Roy is and would do neither of those. Roy simply presents a combination of multiple attributes a guy like Foster never encountered in the ring...including Ali.

I just can't see how a guy that tall who kept his hands that low doesn't get touched up repeatedly by Jones. And after a few rounds of getting hit with shit he isn't prepared for he falls into the same mode as other guys...afraid to let your hands go in fear of being countered.

You should be ashamed at bringing up Mike Quarry and Dick Tiger neither of which are anywhere within the same stratosphere of Roy's reflexes, timing and footspeed.

 

Complete nonsense, the left hook that koed Tiger started at the hip of foster

 

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Would you really say so? Top-5 at WORST? Its a surprisingly steep division.

 

Spinks, Foster, Charles, Moore, Jones...Billy Conn has an Argument, but that's about It...


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This.

 

Yep. This is what happens when folks just use the names and results on fighter's resumes without putting them in the proper context. Foster didn't cherry pick one of the worst heavyweight "champions" I've ever seen instead of the REAL champ of the time. Foster took on two of the very best heavies of all time and also other heavy contenders...he didn't pull a "one-and-done" against a heavy who was pretty much made to order for him.

 

Foster Also Wasn't 5'10, he was 6'3...& Foster was As Tall, if Not TALLER than the Heavy's he Faced...Roy Jones was UNDERSIZED @ Lightheavy; Foster was a HUGE Lightheavy...The REAL Heavyweight Champ of Roy's Era was LITERALLY Half a Foot TALLER & about 75lbs HEAVIER than him...

Like it or Not, John Ruiz was a LEGITIMATE Top 5 Heavyweight of his Era & Roy Jones Beat him...Bob Foster Never EVER Beat a Top 5 Heavyweight...


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That would be mine also

MTF

 

C'mon REED...you know as well I as I do Ruiz was picked due to his extreme lack of skills which allowed him be be handled easily by not one, but two former Middleweight champs. When Foster ruled as Light-heavyweight champ, the champs were Frazier, Ali & Foreman. No soft touches to be had there.

Do you really think Jones makes the jump to heavy if there wasn't an alphabet title held by a very limited fighter available and the only option was Lewis?

 

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Cut me some slack. I pulled a double L last night. was up drinking and talking shit to cdogg.

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You should be ashamed of calling Mike Spinks a fucking southpaw and for making Bob Foster, who never lost to a light heavyweight, the equivalent of the flotsam that Roy Jones defended against

 

And went about 5 inches from there directly to his jaw, knocking cold a guy with a concrete chin who had never been knocked out