What last night REALLY exposed was......

How fucking OVERRATED the Roach is as a trainer. I mean, what the hell has he really taught Khan? How has Amir improved? People praise that shaking dirt bag as the best all time trainer. He DOES deserve alot of credit for molding Manny's raw talent, but its apparent now that he hasnt done shit for Khan.

About the only improvement we've seen in Khan is his chin since he moved up to 140. His legs were obviously too fragile at 135.

Khan is now 25 years old. Thats around the age when most speed guys like him are in their primes. So at this point, what we see is what we get from him. His groupies kept on expecting him to get better and better (as the result of the Roach) but its obvious now thats never gonna happen.

Khan will always be sloppy, will never be able to fight inside, and his defense will always suck. Between this fight, and the Maidana fight, he's taken ALOT of punishment. Don't be surprised if he's shot by time he's 28.

Now, lets play Devil's advocate. Maybe its not Roach's fault. Khan just doesnt have the IQ to improve his skill level.

Therein lies the differance between what Roach had to work with in Manny, as compared to Khan.

Manny was a born FIGHTER. Khan is simply an athlete that was taught how to box (and not very well at that).

Still, I say the Roach is overrated.

 

I don't think Khan can be taught how to be a boxer. It's not really in him.

 

Khan's defense improved allot under Roach and he started throwing allot more jabs & relaxing in the ring more. He DID improve, he was just fucking SHIT to begin with.It was an exercise in turd polishing from the start. Khan should go be an 800 meters runner or long jumper or something.

 

meh

 

Exactly. He has the body for it, but he doesn't have the mind.

 

Somebody needed to get ahold of him while he was in his teens, and taught him how to REALLY box. But even then, its no guarantee.

I think alot of people have the misconception that in-fighting is a skill. Alot of times its a TALENT. Some guys just naturally fight well on the inside, while others don't. Khan just naturally cant fight on the inside.

Khan really needs to stay at 140. Aside from his handspeed, his best asset at 140 is his height. He's about 5'10-5'11. Thats tall for a junior welter, but for welter its nothing special.

Could you imagine what Mike Jones would do to Khan?

 

I think Khan's height and range against the shorter Rios could prove a big handful.

I haven't seen enough of Jones to build an impression of him, tbh.

 

Mike Jones isn't that good, seriously

 

Rios isnt THAT short. Just because he's a brawler, people assume he's short. He's like 5'8. He's taller than Bradley, thats for damn sure.

The bottom line is, unless Khan could stop Rios early (doubtful), he'd be in a world of trouble. He might stun Rios with his speed early, but Rios is mentally tough and wouldnt become detererd. Once Rios gets close, it'd be a mismatch. Brandon would rape him on the inside.

You could argue Khan is more "talented" than Rios, because he's faster/more athletic, but really its Rios who has more BOXING talent.

 

Khan is trash, seriously.

Jones easily has more technical skills than Khan. He's bigger/stronger than Khan, and like Peterson he's a very good body puncher.

It'd be abuse.

 

Yeh, Rios is 5:8. His aggressive style certainly would trouble Khan. Khan would need to constantly stick the jab in his face, offset him and be aggressive in spurts, but the one thing is aswell is Khan's stamina - it aint that great.

 

Please.

Khan looked like shit last night, I'm not saying otherwise. Mike Jones really isn't that good though, lets not get carried away here.

 

Jones is alot better than Peterson, that much I guarantee you. And he's alot BIGGER than Peterson as well.

Khan didnt look like shit, he IS shit. It wasnt an "off" night. He just isnt very good.

Jones isnt great at any one thing, but he's solid all around. And he's ALOT better technically schooled than Khan.

 

I'm not even sure Mike Jones beats Kell Brook, and I fucking hate Kell Brook.

 

Neither is Lamont Peterson. Or Amir Khan. And Jones' length takes away Khan's only tool which is distance.

 

Mike Jones is shit. I can understand people wanting to bring up guys like Floyd, Manny, even Bradley, Berto and the like to point and laugh at Khan...but Mike friggin Jones??? Come on now.

 

Kell Brook is the most protected fighter in the sport. Its for a reason. From what Ive seen of Brook, he's fucking TRASH. Just like Khan he's flash, and no substance. In fact, I think Khan's better.

 

Lamont Peterson. Victor Ortiz (really) beat Lamont Peterson.

 

Khan just got his ass whupped by Lamont friggin Peterson. Let that sink in.

It doesnt take a Floyd/Manny or even Berto level fighter to whup Khan's ass.

Furthermore, Mike Jones would beat Berto.

 

Does Hut really like it, is it, is it wicked? I'm lovin it, lovin' it, lovin' it, Im lovin' it like that!

 

As I said, I'm not a fan of Brook either and I think he's protected as fuck. Mike Jones isn't much better though, if he even is.

 

So?

 

Jones is definitely better than Brook. He has actual SKILLS.

Brook and Khan do not.

 

Swings and roundabouts.

 

Kell Brook is a natural 147lbr and doesn't get hit with every shot that's thrown at him. He's a product of Wincobank and that mean's he's a handful for anyone. I think Warren is grooming him {ha ha} to fight Khan.

 

Well, maybe Brook would beat Khan. Its not like its hard to do. Still doesnt change the fact he's THE most protected fighter in the sport.

 

Who? Brook or Khan? There is nothing out there for Brook right now, Khan had 2/4 of the belts, Bradley had the other 2/4, Brook did what he could do, cleaned up in England and Europe, and bided his time. He's making his US debut soon. I don't see what more could have been squeezed from the opportunities which presented themselves for Brook.

 

There's plenty Brook could have done

 

There is?? There is plenty Khan could have done too. In fairness, Khan did not do a lot at domestic level besides facing scrubs up from 130 whom he still managed to look bad against.

I'm not saying Brook has done much, I'm saying he couldn't have done much more.

An American debut seems exciting, will be interesting to see if he is matched soft or hard.

 

For what it's worth, Jones had a chance to fight Brook in a title eliminator, but passed. His handlers preferred the exposure that came with fighting on Pacquiao undercard as opposed to a road trip to England.

That was the night he fought Jesus Soto-Karass the first time and spent most of the fight recovering from punching himself out early.

I don't disagree that Brook's resume is thin, but he was the one willing to fight. Jones' handlers went another route - perhaps a smarter route. But can't say that in any subsequent fights (Two w/ JSK and last week v. Lujan) MJ has looked like a world beater. I like him myself - just not as big on him as you are, or as sour on Brook for that matter.

I'll avoid Khan commentary, because you and I just don't see the same fighter. He's not as great as is made out to be the case, but he's a lot better than you're willing to give credit. There's a case to be made that he deserved no worse than a draw last night. I thought it was an either-way kind of fight, personally.