This fight makes a lot of sense. If it goes down. Who takes it? Pretty good fight if you ask me. Stand up? About even. Would give a slight advantage edge to Cain. Wrestling ? Obviously Cain. Chin ? Even. Both have crap chins. BJJ ? Obviously Mir. Stamina? Cain easy. In five rounds give me Cain by tko ground and pound in 3.
And Mir lost to Brock in the first round. That doesnt mean he sucks. We didnt even see a fight. We saw a Rusty cain get beat by a punch.
Nobody said he didnt. But to imply cain is garbage because of that win, which there are factors for, is ridiculous.
i i wouldnt say if he is garbage, but he certainly cant take much of a punch. his beard appears to be rubbish, like many of the men who participate in this sport.
A lot of these guys don't know how to punch. More importantly they don't know how to take a punch. It's cool man. The stand up is amateur hour... to be expected, since most of these guys grew up wrestling or grappling. Proper comfort getting hit in the head is reserved for a select few, you won't be good at it with five years or so of traning.
While no doubt the level of hand striking in Boxing is great. I think you undervalue the striking of an MMA fighter simply because it doesnt look similar to boxing. You cant fight in a traditional boxing stance and throw traditional boxing punches in MMA or you will be taken down with ease. Look at someone like KJ Noons, who is a professional boxer, but when fights MMA looks much different. He has to fight in a way that makes sense im MMA. With ALL that said, put 4oz gloves on boxers and you will see more KOs.
That's horse-shit, look at how fluid Anderson Silva and Quinton Jackson are with their hands. It's a matter of skills.
Anderson silva doesnt strike like a boxer and rampage gets beat. If you call what rampage does proper boxing technique that is an insult to boxing.
Agreed with the stuff in bold 100%. I just think, due mostly to lack of experience, punches are a shock to some of these guys systems. It's not a slight against them, as I said most of them grew up trying to master wrestling and grappling. Not just in boxing, but any striking martial art, you need years of experience to not freak out when powerful strikes are flying towards your head.
What about him? Again, you have the perfect example in KJ Noons. He is a PROFESSIONAL BOXER. But he doesnt fight the same in MMA. You cant fight that way. Or else you will be allowing yourself to be taken down at will. You have to be in a position to avoid the take down and kick while striking with your hands. You ant do that shit in a boxing stance.
KJ Noons has shit technique, that's why he punches like that. Silva strikes like a boxer, if you can't see that you're in denial.
I am going to have to slightly disagree with you here. You give these MMA fighters 8oz or 10oz gloves and you will see less KOs. I dont think it has anything to do with learning how to take a punch. These MMA guys have been training with professional boxing trainers for years. I just think you are born with or without a good chin. And the 4oz gloves doesnt help.
It's shit to you because you have no clue about striking in MMA. You think it should be like boxing. And if you think Silva Strikes like a boxer you are sadly mistaken. Waiving your hands around high and low, keeping your hands down and to the side and throwing a right punch while slanting your body left isnt a boxing style. He would get murdered in a boxing ring.
agREED... It'd B like Administering Leg Kicks on a Boxer...Hell, Look @ How Ali Coped w/Leg Kicks when he "Fought" Inoki...MMA Guys R Equipped to Take Punches from Other MMA Guys... Allowing Pro Boxers to Wear 4oz Gloves would BARBARIC...MORE than Enough Damage is Being Done w/8's & 10's... REED:mj:
KJ Noons ISN'T Even an Average Level Professional Boxer Though...1 of his 2 Boxing Losses Came to a Guy who's Now 8-18-3, w/ 4 KO's... Noons is a Good MMA Boxer, but Let's Not Get Carried Away... REED:hammert:
Get carried away with what? All i simply said was that KJ Noon's striking style in pro boxing is different than MMA. It was nothing but an example.
i read an interview with johnny hendricks, historically the best collegiate wrestler in mma and he said that it's hard to defend takedowns or attempt takedowns in mma due to your stance and also the cage plays a big factor in being able to take guys down or defending take downs. gsp is a perfect example because he's somehow managed to master the timing of when to shoot in for a double leg and also defend while standing up straight as opposed to crouching down in a traditional freestyle or folkstyle wrestling stance. i think this is also the reason why greco and judo guys have easier time transitioning because of their stance. having said all this, it might be easier for a boxer to just go in there and box without having to worry about getting taken down, but when you're in a mma contest, it's not really the same because you have to worry about different aspects of how your opponent would attack.
I love this notion that there is some gym secret to taking punches that is kept under lock and key in boxing gyms that doesn't get shared in MMA gyms. It's horse shit. Smaller gloves simply equates to more KO's. Period. It's not like there aren't a slew of successful MMA fighters that fought and TRAINED as pro boxers. I always use Marcus Davis and Chris Lytle as examples. They had decent pro boxing careers and also had decent MMA success. Their individual ability to take punches didn't improve because they boxed professional. You don't DEVELOP a chin by getting hit in the gym. If you take the most technically refined boxer in the world and thrust him into an MMA career his technique is going to change if he wants to be successful. And his chin will absolutely be in more danger due to smaller gloves. I think boxers learn to anticipte impact. They learn to roll or lean with shots. And yes, they get used to getting hit and therefore develop a comfort level with being punched. But none of this helps their chin hold up when a big puncher, wearing 4 ounce gloves cracks them cleanly.
