White: Silva vs. Sonnen II would likely take place in Brazilian soccer stadium

In the case of GSP, I agree with you. He's not big enough to move up and retain his advantages, his strength being one of them. But Silva has fought at LHW before and had no problem doing so.

 

Silva had no problems with Forest Griffin and freaking James Irvin. Those are both lightyears away from Jon Jones.

Nevertheless, the point isn't really about whether GSP can handle middleweight or whether Silva can handle light heavy. The point is that those fights NOT happening isn't remotely comparable to Manny-Floyd not happening.

 

What is the biggest fight MMA could make, for maximum live gate income and PPV buys?

 

Brock?? Nah, that ship has sailed after he was exposed. Jones vs. Silva is easily the biggest.

 

Right now? The biggest possible bout in MMA is Jon Jones versus Anderson Silva in Brazil. Bar none.

GSP coming back from MAJOR knee surgery is a huge question mark. Any fight involving him right now would be uncertain.

But again, none of these MMA fights is the "Manny-Floyd" of MMA because they all involve one guy fighting outside his weight. Manny and Floyd are at the EXACT, SAME weight.

Why is that so hard to understand? Seriously, are you really a short bus, window licker?

 

no its not

 

who gives a flying f*** about weight class. im talking about the biggest fight that can be made in the sport and you wanna bring up weight. gsp vs silva is clearly the biggest fight mma could make. the 2 most dominant champions and gsp is the biggest draw now lesnar is gone. as for brasil the country is poor as hell. no way a live gate in brasil would draw more money than the us or canada for gsp vs silva or silva vs jones

 

They KNOW what U Mean, they're just Playing Hard to Get...When it Comes to MMA they Both Get OVERprotective & Ignore BLATANTLY OBVIOUS Comparisons:shit:...

Liddell vs. Wanderlai DIDN'T Happen Until it had Already Exceeded it's Shelf Life...Fedor, Who Until the Last Couple Years was UNIVERSALLY Regarded as MMA's Best Fighter, Never EVER Fought in the UFC...Just Prior to Fedor's Loss to Werdum, Fedor vs. Brock was EASILY MMA's Biggest Fight, yet it NEVER Happened...Fedor vs. Couture Would've Been HUGE...

CLEARLY, GSP vs. Anderson Silva is MMA's Biggest Fight....They Both have PROVEN Themselves as PPV Entities AND they're Top 2-3 Pound for Pound...Bones Jones is GETTING there in the PPV Sense, but it's Premature to Label him a GUARANTEED PPV Entity just Yet...The GSP-Silva, Pac-Floyd Analogy is SOUND & the MMA Guys KNOW It...

Using WEIGHT to Dilute the Comparison to Floyd-Pac is SILLY Considering How Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar Manny's Moved Up in Weight...Perhaps the MMA Faction has FORGOTTEN that???...

REED Honestly Couldn't Care Less WHO Likes Which Sport More, but the HYPOCRISY is Getting Pretty Fucking LAME...Don't BITCH about Boxing yet BITCH about Guys who BITCH about MMA...MMA ISN'T Perfect, it's Business Model Damn Sure ISN'T Perfect & U Can't have it Both Ways...



REED:shit:

 

Boxers and MMA competitors do. Weight classes exist for a reason.

 

I have no issue admitting fights that didn't happen years ago like Chuck-Wandy or Fedor versus anyone in the UFC. But we are talking about TODAY.

And the idea of saying the UFC DOESN'T make the biggest fights because they haven't put two champions from DIFFERENT weight classes in the cage together is silly.

Regardless of what weight Manny or Floyd came from, the bottom line is that they've both spent the last few years dancing around each other AT THE EXACT SAME WEIGHT.

If GSP and Silva were doing that I'd be the first one to bemoan the UFC for not making the match. The problem is that they're 15 pounds apart and GSP has NEVER fought at 185.

After the Jones-Ruiz fight, in my opinion the biggest fight that could have been made in boxing would have been Jones-Lewis. Does anyone blame anyone for NOT making that fight happen? Probably not. Did weight "dilute" that argument. What a crock of shit.

And your also dead wrong. A few months ago GSP-Silva would be the biggest. Now it is not. GSP is injured. He won't even be the champion in 2 weeks. Jones-Silva is a much bigger bout right now.

But Jones-Silva not happening isn't even close to the sham of Manny-Floyd not happening. That would not happen in the UFC. <<<<<< Someone challenge THAT point.

It's sad when the biggest story in boxing is a fight that ISN'T happening. In MMA, it's about the fights that are happening. Being a fan of both sports, it's easy to say that one of them is doing it the right way. It's not completely or all right, but it's perfect for fans.

 

I really think that Dana has no interest in pitting his top draws against each other. Remember, Dana is a businessman, and he wants to get as much out of JJ for as long as he can.

 

Well, sure maybe. However history says something different. The UFC did not milk Lesnar's huge PPV appeal by pitting him against marshmallows. The UFC could have fed Lesnar some easy fights in any of his comebacks and milked the cash cow for 5 good paydays. But that's not how they operate.

From a business perspective that makes perfect sense. But there will come a time, probably after a Sonnen rematch, that Silva will have no real challenges at 185. At that point, I will grow a little restless if a Silva-Jones match isn't made.

But again, if Silva says he doesn't want to move up to fight Jones, which he has said repeatedly, I won't be dumb enough to fault the UFC. Nor will I blame a fighter for not wanting to move up 20 pounds.

At that point, we will really have our answer anyway. If Silva admits he would be no match for Jones at 205, good enough.

 

Nah, Floyd fans are the only ones who forgot.

 

As a fan of MMA and boxing all I really remember is the fact that they've both been at or around 147 for a few years. And both call themselves the best at THAT weight.

Yeah, that's just like GSP-Silva.....:bs:

 

Top 2 fighters p4p....... Theres a lopt of people that want to see the fight. I would like to much more than gsp-koscheck, gsp-shields or silva-belfort.....

 

Still pissed about that one.

By the way, I know it sounds strange, but GSP isn't clearly the #1 or #2 P4P guy in the sport right now. With him being on the shelf and Jon Jones destroying Machida, most publications have GSP at #3.

Regardless, it IS NOT a fight anyone is crying for right now. RJJ is just plain uninformed about that.

 

You MMA Guys R Ridiculous...

ANYTHING to Protect your Shiny New Toy, REED Guesses...Since U Guys Want to Get TECHNICAL about this Weight Shit, 2 Can Play that Game...Pacquiao's Last Few Fights have Been All Over the Place, Weight Wise...LOW 140's, MID 140's, HIGH 140's, Even in the 150's (Margarita)...

Floyd has Fought EXCLUSIVELY @ 147 Since the Dela Bout in 2007...

Just like That, REED has SHITTED on the LAME Ass "Weight" Excuse you Guys R CLINGING To, in the Case of Silva-GSP...For @ LEAST the Last 2 Years that REED Can think of, that Fight has Been Not Only Talked about, but Billed as MMA's BIGGEST Fight EVER...

But if U Motherfuckers Want to Bury your Heads in the Sand, so Be it...Just STOP WHINING when Guys like Steve-Dave or RJJp4p Call MMA Out on it's Hypocrisy...



REED:boohoo:

 

GSP/Silva would unquestionably be the biggest promotion in the history of cage fighting, and the biggest promotion they could make right now.

Two biggest stars by far.

And before you jump down my throat, yes, I understand why it hasn't been made.

 

Also, REED has Read ON THIS FORUM Plenty of Times, How GSP "Walks Around in the 190's", Blah, Blah, Blah...But Yeah, when MMA is Called to the Carpet, let's Pretend that 15 Pounds is a Justifiable Reason for the Bout to NOT Happen...

In Practically EVERY Welterweight Fight of his, Manny Pac has Been a GREATER Size DISadvantage than GSP Would B, vs. Silva...



REED:boohoo:

 

It's really only Trplsec. Dude is mothefuckingly always comparing MMA favorably to boxing with that 'who me?' attitude of his.

 

It would have been. That's not the case now.

A major knee injury, involving reconstructive surgery, does do some damage to the appeal of this one.

When GSP comes back he won't even be the 170 pound champion. I am sure many fans, especially Canadians, wouldn't care. But for the MMA fans, they would far prefer to see a returning GSP face the Condit-Diaz winner.

 

When's the last time Manny fought 15 pounds lighter than Floyd.

No other bullshit or spinning. Just answer THAT question.

I can tell you the exact date that GSP and Silva fought 15 pounds apart.


Twist it however you want, but Floyd and Manny not fighting each other has absolutely nothing equivalent on the MMA side today. Not even close.

 

He'll still be GSP though. Guy is famous. Huge draws aren't always about fighting ability. GSP/Silva would be a marketing dream.

MMA fans would be a small percentage of the buys for a bout like that. Condit-Diaz winner. ::

 

Has a fighter never moved up 1 weight class in MMA?