Are The Klitschkos Taking Steroids Or Other PED's??

Why imagine???

 

Hey, one out of 7 ain't bad, Meatloaf once sang. You know, if he gets cancer, will it be because he lived downwind of Chernobyl as a child, or because he was on steroids??

 

Because HutHut's imagination is not very good and you would need that to imagine otherwise

 

Agreed- he probably thinks too much and imagines too little. I think he is a latent pragmatic Englishman, he thinks too much and dreams too little for a Scot. ::

 

Why do I suspect you mean? Their background for one thing but also because they gain weight and muscle during training camps which is pretty unique/rare.

Pure speculation.

 

Right, fine, this is sound logic, but its hardly damning evidence one way or the other.

There has been no mention of the weight they gain during camp, i.e. the actual figures for it, and besides, wouldn't using gear during camp increase the risk of being caught? Do they pack on 20lbs, 30lbs, 5lbs, what?

Consider further their rare training techniques- neither man, to the best of my knowledge, does ANY roadwork during training. Running is not the body builders best friend.

In addition, they are both known for being never out of shape to begin with.

 

Just an edit.............you said they gained muscle and weight. I just want to emphasize that. Its both.

 

It's pure speculation. There's no evidence either way.....isn't speculation the point in the thread? :dunno:

I didn't edit it to take that out, I was just taking out my customary redundant windy sentence.

Since both guys come in lean as shit I think we can use both terms interchangeably here.

 

a lot of fighters are probably juicing

we can go in circles, but all anyone really has is circumstantial for and circumstantial against

 

I'm not certain it's of much benefit below heavyweight.....muscle gains also a game of marginal utility at heavyweight. The Klits do things just right.

There are 'roids' which work specifically to increase neural gains from strength training though. If a boxer had a really good strength coach those could be of benefit. Plus EPO, obviously

 

Yet, in polite boxing circles, the for one man is usually juxtaposed with a strong against the next man, depending on how the individual feels. The last guy to fail a test, of any note, and indeed of increasing note, is JC Jr. Little known, dare say it, little appreciated fact. I didn't know that had any weight or any substance until I heard it uttered at 4AM Irish time on a low-budget, guerrilla broadcast from a small-time presenter.

Yet anyone ask, on the street, and they can tel you that the brothers are dripping steroids. Maybe they are,it doesn't concern me, what concerns me is the lack of "interest" in Chavez compared to the extra interest in the brothers.

 

Agreed. Here's the thing, and this is what kills the argument so often- Manny Pac was accused of taking roids because of an explosiveness in his fighting style, his power, his speed, his being impervious to punishment etc, despite his previous losses.

Yet Wladimir and Vitali have regressed offensively. Vitali seems more beatable than ever, I tabbed the Sosnowski fight as a fight where I saw some slippage. He's knocked out better guys easier. We all know the story with Wlad. He's not got a fraction of the former attack.

If Manny Pac is the standard for an alleged juicer, then why are the Klitschkos displaying a reversal in the trend supposedly experienced by steroid users???

 

Boxing's a much more complicated game than baseball or powerlifting, the scatter plot across use and success will be harder to make shapes with, I think. Indeed most guys who fail tests seem to do so off of loses.

To be fair, I can't remember hearing all that much talk about The Klits and roids. Not around here or casual fans I talk with anyway.....I dont read the boxing press much.

 

Or his climb through the weight classes.

 

Floyd himself explained that whilst trying to shit on Manny's accomplishments...."Manny Pac was a schoolboy flyweight"....oh what a web we weave when first we......::

 

Manny's just got a great style for fighting bigger guys, plus his power isn't shit at welter. Not a single proper KO in 6, last 5 have seen the 12th. If he's taking, it's probably no more than anyone else.

 

agreed.


My philosophy is simple: I don't have a problem with PED's....I believe most PED's are helping fighters rather than hurting them and its unlikely that too many fighters on PED's are winning fights they otherwise would have lost. They might just be doing it a bit easier. I am also loathe to the idea that boxing might become a battlefield for anti-drug campaigners, with, inevitably, boxing being shit on as all other sports walk off scott free. Its part of reason why I think Floyds self-serving stance on drugs is cheap and vile. He doens't give a fuck, he just wants to make noise.

As I say, it would be a major pisser, a major no-win pisser at that, if the anti-drugs gang descended on boxing, safe in the knowledge they were stepping on fewer toes than if they ran roughshod thru athletics or baseball or football.

 

The way he admits to it sounds preposterous and self-serving. "He was angry"---yeah, at being dumb enough to take something that showed up on a test.

I find it rather funny that you're a lawyer and accustomed to sleazery, but when it comes to the Klitschkos, you're a defender of their character and/or innocence. Then you claim the reason it bothers you is that THEY get suspected (both heavyweight champions) whereas some marginal Jr. Middleweight contender with a famous daddy isn't being accused of the same.

That sounds like a load of bullshit to me.

 

We all watched Rocky 4, but the fact is, there is no background for boxers that wouldn't lead one to suspect PED use.

 

I haven't heard this before. Do you know where you heard this? Do you know how long this has been the case?

 

First off- he is talking about it, openly. Secondly, from what I can gather, he had withdrawn from competition to a greater or lesser extent and the injury in question was verified.

Their characters and innocence are no better or worse than a lot of people. They deserve credit for looking after themselves to the best of their abilities, its not a charity, I just don't like them being portrayed as greedy or thuggish in a business which in any case does not usually reward chivalry. They are no angels, I am in no rush to meet them. But they are not the worst either.

Marginal? Guy was on HBO last night and is the WBC Middlweight Champ. He's got two black marks over his name, in the space of the last three years. Vitali? 1996.

Vitali was on the receiving end of some pretty nasty stuff as early as April 2000, long before he reached the status he has today, and the steroid issue was written about by Mike Katz, who reported the substance in question as a diuretic, which illustrates the degree of confusion around the matter.

You are still angry over the Paterno thing. :dunno:

 

hmmm. I doubt this is true, but it would be interesting to compile a list. Oscar's opponents alone get your observation off to a good start.

 

thinking more of the sports science doctorates than where they're from

 

Its common knowledge that Wladimir prefers swimming and 30 minute sessions of moving in the ring to plain old roadwork, it was discussed at length in the buildup to the Haye fight. Most of this is done at altitude in the Austria. Manny talked about it and so did the British TV people.

Edit:

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/fights/20...ko-vs-david-haye/article/emanuel-steward.html

the other tape Wladimir watched was Tommy Hearns fighting Duran. Tommy is Wladimir's favorite fighter and in that fight, he went out and took control right away. Wladimir watched it and said to me, "That's the attitude I need to have." I also suggested he watch Foreman-Norton. Foreman is one of the smartest fighters ever, and he took the space away from Norton all night.*

We do 10-12 rounds of sparring four days a week, too. That's in the afternoon. The other two days, Wladimir does 45 minutes of continuous swimming in an Olympic length pool. I don't know how he does that. I can't even watch him because I get sick.*

I don't have Wladimir doing any roadwork the final 30 days because for all his training, I want him using the exact shoes on the exact surface using the exact muscles that he'll be using in the fight.*

 

http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/larry-olubamiwo/27/b38/679

Look at the photos, then click the link, and have a read of that. Right down to the bottom. Then have a rollicking good laugh.

 

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Oh aye.

On another note he sure sounds like a tosser.

 

And then have a look at this video, and see how much water your theory holds :: :: :kidcool: Note the non-steroid looking guy :laugh11:

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note sure which theory you mean,but I enjoyed watching it anyhoo

 

I can't really see a case for long distance road work for a boxer. Never understood it

 

Irish is Collaborating w/Spike Lee on a Sequel Called "Do the WHITE Thing"...He's Tooo Busy Licking KLIT & Can't See the Forest for the Pubic Hairs...


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