Watch Clottey/Cotto and you will not be excited for PBF/Cotto...

He is a smallish welter, but nowhere near as small as his groupies would have you believe. He's grown into a welter, albeit a smallish one. He just happens to stay near fighting weight, like Hopkins.

 

Thing is, he w as s that way at 135 - never blowing up after weigh in.

 

Right. Wasn't much of a cut to make 135, where Castillo was much bigger than him.

 

What's your deal? You clearly have it in for me. You're not even making points anymore. You're just being confrontational. It's embarrassing frankly.

 

How is my post not a point? Floyd was way smaller than his best opponent at lightweight.

 

I should've said, "related" point. Your point was completely unrelated to mine.

 

What steve is doing, in a metaphoric sense, is bending you over and drilling you without your consent or lube.

Instead of asking him to go easy on you, learn to defend yourself properly....

 

It was completely, 100% related.

 

Word.

 

Maybe if I were a petty child like you, this would be good advice. But as it is, I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.

It's also interesting that homosexual rape is your go-to metaphor.

 

No it's not.

My point is, PBF, whether he's fighting at 135 or 147, doesn't gain a lot of weight following the weigh-in. I point this out because nobody thought of him as a smallish light-weight for this reason, so why should they think the same at 147.

You seem to be saying that because Castillo was bigger than him (which isn't true now), that PBF's smallish at 147? Even if Castillo were perceived as the bigger man at 135, it wasn't that PBF was viewed as smallish. It was that Castillo was viewed as over-grown.

PBF isn't a Margarito or a Paul Williams. He's not a over-grown welterweight. But he is a welterweight and should fight other welterweights, or lose credibility.

 

Double L: "The fact that Floyd fought for a long time at 130-135, never bloated at all and now he is fighting at Welter and never bloats is a sign that he is as big a Welter as he was a Jr. Lightweight."

steve_dave and the rational world: "We actually feel the opposite. We feel that Floyd barely gaining a pound or two after the weight in even when he was fighting at 135 means that he was a natural there and if he has managed to be strong and effective at 147 it's because of his terrific gym work and training methods. However, the notion that he is a natural Welter as Double L is trying to imply is fucking ridiculous just as he is. We threw the Castillo example, because there is a guy that for a long time fought in a division he didn't belong to and outweighted Floyd about 20 pounds the day they fought. Yet Double L considers him a natural Lightweight and Floyd a big Welterweight".

Double L: "Dudes, you are not even making a point. It's embarrassing frankly."

(The world laughs compassionately with Double L)

 

:: good man.

 

V10:

You're grossly misrepresenting what I've said and you know it.

I never said PBF was a big welterweight.

What I said is that PBF's tendency not to gain weight at 135 never had anyone saying he was a small lightweight, so why should it be used as evidence he's a small welterweight?

My point of contention - the only thing I'm debating - is the notion that PBF is under-sized at 147 to the point it should be acceptable that he not fight other welterweights.

Don't talk to me about rationality and the rest of the world.

 

Steve Dave is now metaphorically sharing you with V10...steve is in front of you and V10 is behind you and they are giving each other high fives.

Dude you have to defend yourself better than this.

 

Whatever. There's not a whole lot worth doing if either is content to misrepresent what I said, and continue the debate on that basis.

As much as you'd like for me to entertain your fantasies of gang-butt-sex and high-fives, I'm just not sure it applies. It seems like you have this fantasy, and you're just looking for a place to explore it, even if it doesn't actually apply.

I know. You're like the shop man with a hammer who thinks everything is a nail. Except in your case, you're a depraved homosexual in search of metaphorical rape scenes.

 

To debate you have to go against an argument presented by the other side. Not just ramble your unconnected toughts and claim it your side of "the argument". From the sequence above, which is how everything got started... Where the hell did you get that "It's acceptable for Floyd to fight Lightweights and Jr. Welterweights?" Not *Z*, steve_dave or MWS said nothing of the sort. That debate you you claim to be a part of exists only in your head. If Floyd would have fought Malignaggi at 147 instead of Cotto at 154 and you saw steve_dave saying "Hey guys remember Floyd is a small Jr. Lightweight right now so I'm totally fine he is fighting a small Jr. Welterweight!" then it would make sense for you to say Floyd shouldn't be fighting small Jr. Welterweights and I would agree.

Again, who said on this thread that Floyd should be fighting smaller guys? All that was said was that Clottey was bigger and thicker which is a damn fact and that is what you responded to. All you needed to do was say "Yes, I agree guys! But I feel Floyd's defense and sharp counterpunching will throw Cotto off his rythm and Floyd has become strong enough at 147 that even if the fight is at 154, he will be able to handle Cotto on the inside as well and take his punch". Instead you come up with this crap and imply he is as big a Welter as he was a Lightweight because in both divisions he only gained a couple of pounds by fight night.

 

That's nice. But it doesn't explain why you claim I said PBF was a big welterweight, when I never said such a thing.

And though implicit in the form of continued praise and status, I think support and approval of PBF's opponent selection is wide-spread, despite what you claim.

 

Floyd walks around at 150. That's "fighting weight" for most modern lightweights.

 

word.

You just owned MWS without breaking a sweat.

 

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How easily do you think Floyd could currently make 140 compared to an average sized 140 pounder like Bradley?

Him walking around a few pounds over the WW limit doesn't mean much. All it means is, unlike most fighters, he stays close to his optimum fighting weight between fights. Whenever you see pictures of Floyd between fights he looks very lean.

Hopkins didn't walk around much higher than fighting weight either, does that mean he could make 154? Of course it doesn't, it just means he makes sure to keep as trim as possible, so there's less work to do when making weight.

Floyd is a pretty small welter, there's no denying that, but he's put on muscle and naturally bulked up in the SIX YEARS he's been at 147.

If he were to make 140 now, he wouldn't be shedding fat and water like other fighters, he'd be losing a few pounds of muscle too, which is awful. Roy is an extreme example of that.

Anyone who thinks Floyd could easily make 140 now, after 6 years of not making that weight and naturally amassing a few pounds of muscle, has no fucking clue what they're talking about.

 

Not easily. Because he's a welterweight.

 

loadedgloves is hilarious. He actually seems to think Floyd is still a lightweight.

Let's take it a step further, how easily could Floyd make 135 compared to say, Guerrero?

It's the same thing with Pacquiao. Right now, Pacquiao is basically a 140 pounder, he weighs in at like 142, and comes to the ring at what, 147 odd?

Some lightweights come to the ring that heavy, but could Manny comfortably make lightweight? Of course he fucking couldn't, because he's put on a good few pounds of muscle since moving up from 130/135, and is now more or less a 140 pounder.

Not exactly difficult to understand.

 

Let me get this straight. You seriously believe that Floyd *WALKS AROUND* as dry as the average modern boxer is on the day of the weigh-in?!

There isn't a single fighter who cuts any significant amount of water that walks around at the same weight they are on the day of the weigh-in. If they did this, they would die in short order. This is not arguable.

Perhaps you believe that there is something magically deficient about Floyd's body which would prevent him from losing an additional 7 lbs of water in addition to the 1-2 lbs he normally gains after the weigh-in?

If you had the sense to be embarrassed over saying something so terribly stupid, you would leave this forum and never post again.

 

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Of course he doesn't walk around as dry as the average boxer on the day of the weigh in, what kind of question is that? Assuming that Floyd walks at about 155 between fights, I simply don't think he has 20 pounds of water and fat to lose. To get down to 135, he would have to start burning muscle.

Let me ask you a simple question, do you think Floyd could make 135 as easily as say, Guerrero?

If anyone should be embarrassed it's you for thinking Floyd is still a lightweight ::

 

sometimes I think double is a little bit Autistic... like he is having an argument with somebody else the rest of us don't have internet access to

 

Clotty fights nothing like Floyd,

Cotto is alot better than he was then.

He has become a hardened tough lion

Floyd is basically a lightweight

 

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