Premier League 2011/12 Season

Strachan had a similarly 'cuntish' approach to the media as Kenny, it was just about the only thing I liked about him.

 

Of course I don't like him. I intensely dislike him, in fact. Never denied that for a moment. After what he did to NUFC, I have that right.

That means nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, in the context of this Suarez business. I don't like racism and I don't like racists. Suarez is a racist; caught and punished for so being. He's a Liverpool player, so you'll bend all kinds of ways to defend him, and the fact that lots of other people are also stating the obvious fact that Suarez is a racist makes you more determined to start your usual bollocks, railing wildly against any dissenters and rambling on about 'agenda's'.

The only person with an agenda here is YOU. Every fucker is wrong bar you, Suarez and Daglish. Anyone who disagrees has read too many newspapers or listens to Taggart or some other tripe depending upon which way you want to bend at that particular moment. In my case, it's because I dislike that miserable jock cunt in charge of your club. That's bollocks: I dislike Terry because I think he is a piece of shit and he has nothing to do with Daglish. I dislike Paulo Di Canio because he is a self-confessed fascist. He has fuck all to do with LFC either. There is a list of these bastards half a mile long and the ONE common factor is that they are horrible people whose behaviour annoys me. Or pehaps it's all because I dislike 'King Kenny':dunno:

If you can't see the woods for the trees here, then I'm afraid I can't really help you pal.

MTF

 

Just in case anyone thinks I am being Cuntish, i am of the opinion that feebles harbours a grudge against Dalglish and is happy to tie Dalglish on to anything that will get Dalglish into trouble. Thats how I feel. He's entitled to dislike Kenny, a lot more than I am to dislike Redknapp.

Suarez does not believe he is a racist. The FA themselves even held back from saying it. Kenny feels that Suarez is not a racist. The attempts to link Kenny to isolated instances of bigotry, to portray his stubbornness as the spark behind them, is pathetic.

Regarding the media and these journalists, I do not regard any of them as being anything other than eunuchs. What sort of a man would spend his life asking the questions they do? What sort of a man answers to Rebekah Brooks? Spivs. They were at this shit when they called Benitez "arrogant" and "beneath contempt". Where were the big racial investigations when 3,000 Stoke Fans were all telling Benitez that he was just a "Fat Spanish Waiter"???

This racism thing is a crock of shit. Everyone wants the easy score, the handy trip. Everybody wants to face off with the EDL. Nobody wants a fight for all the marbles with Finsbury Park mob.

 

Agreed/

Not true. I think Gerrard is well overdue some criticism for being a thick, tooth-breaking chav. Gerrard has been a coy bunny throughout this. He picks his little fights carefully. He never had fuck all to say for Benitez, but he had plenty to say for Glen Johnson. Benitez ALWAYS looked after him. Gerrard never forgave him.

Thats not true either. Suarez is the latest in a long line of people who have been targeted for special treatment. With Alpay, it was because he pushed Beckham around. With Suarez, its cos he called Suarez "Negro". Oh My God. Di Canio is a big media hero in England, a man who gives salutes. But Suarez, the part-black, is a racist, cos he referred to Evra as a Black. Well now. Terry is not a racist. He has no education but I doubt he regards his race as superior to all others. Harry will get the England job. Terry will get off free and resume the captaincy in the new season, and Suarez will be the poster boy for Racism. Lovely jubbly. Pontius Pilate himself would approve. Jesus dead, Barrabas free, the mob happy. Done and Done.

Cool.

 

We are QPR, we will survive!!!

 

Ferguson not speaking to the BBC = pathetic

 

That's at least half-right :scared2:

 

He's back speaking to them after they saw the error of their ways {investigating his spawn} and communicated their sorrow and guilt to his Reverence.

 

17 consecutive domestic wins. Neil Lennon will go down as an icon of dreamy rugged handsomeness.

 

Aye, albeit a ginger one.

 

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=2966497&rid=0

 

Strachan was genuinely humorous though. Dalglish is just becoming increasingly hostile, obstinate, and incoherent. By the time the season ends he'll be conducting his press conferences via the medium of performing arts. It'll be like a Noel Fielding sketch.

 

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Good to know Wolves are losing.

 

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Pretty good.

 

Not too inaccurate really http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=286626.0

 

I didnt really think he did anything wrong. If you dont like or respect somebody why pretend to

 

Its part of the pretend culture that we have today. I say it all started once they banned boxing in the schools. :: Seriously, lets all pretend to be friends. Is it not telling that a situation deemed unresolvable by a hand-shake should now regard a hand-shake with such importance. Too bad that the forums finest minds have revealed themselves as avid tabloiders.

Ironically, all of this "Hand-Shake" mentality is juxtaposed with an England that collectively feels more and more under the cosh, unable to deport foreign criminals, economically and militarily sidelined, floating around like a turd in a bowl down in the South Atlantic over some sheep infested islands, shooting at Argie peasants raised on Fray Bentos meatballs. Like any good embattled Empire, roll out a few Jesus' and nail them to a cross, appease the mob, buy a bit of time, wait for the wrong pecker to wander up the wrong vaggie, then go again.

 

He doesn't have to shake hands to pretend to like him. He should do it because he is sorry for racially abusing him. If he isn't sorry, then don't shake hands, but then that makes him a cunt.

MTF

 

The selective faith you have in various splinters of "authority" is nothing short of pathetic. If anyone here thinks that a mixed-race Afro-AmerIndian is really, via the word "Negro" capable of racially insulting some black Frenchman, then fine, off you pop.

Even IF somebody was prepared to stretch the boundaries of their intelligence to come up with such a conclusion, once the "punishment" has been served, then the "guilty" party remains under NO obligation to offer expressions of contrition or remorse. The sentence flows from the crime and, once served, exhausts. That is that.

My advice to all clubs or any organization hence forth is to see criminal proceedings in the High Court.

 

Sorry mate, but the only things 'pathetic' in this entire shambles are Suarez, Liverpool FC and their supporters. The whole lot of you are acting appallingly and are doing considerable damage to the reprutation of your club. The rest of the country is laughing at you, man.

MTF

 

Just read this on the most respected NUFC fanzine website this morning:

"I must confess to having enjoyed the discomfort of Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool Football Club recently. The man’s lack of class and grace during the Suarez-Evra episode has been appalling and I’m just grateful Dalglish has nothing to do with our football club after his brief but ruinous tenure in the late 90s. I’ve been appalled by his many friends in the media (sadly this also includes Alan Shearer) whose condemnation of him from their sofas has been sacrificed due to their friendships with the man and others by their affiliation to the Merseyside club which has unveiled their myopia. I listened to John Barnes on R5 on Sunday contorting the facts and truth in as gymnastic display of venality you are likely to see outside the House of Commons. He’s another I’m glad has nothing to do with United any more.

As for their fans, I’ve found it laughable how they have found the audacity to propagate the conspiracy theories and lay the blame anywhere but where it should rest [sounds familar...] It is like they are members of some weird sect whose faculties for reason have been sacrificed to their High Priest, King Kenny on the Anfield altar. Even Dalglish’s and Suarez’s supposed apology after the hand-shake rubbish at Old Trafford last Saturday is partial and irrational - does Dalglish expect us to believe that two hours after the handshake incident occurred, only yards away from him and following a bit of bitch-slapping in the tunnel he didn’t know what had gone on before the match? Nobody had mentioned it? No-one on the bench was aware of what millions had seen with their own eyes? And no-one had communicated the incident to “King Kenny”? And the apology still does not lay it out plain to Patrice Evra … Liverpool is sorry for him being racially insulted by one of its employees.

I don’t want to tempt fate but it is fantastic United is outside of all of this rubbish and we are not distracted from football by spoilt, narcissistic footballers and their apologists whose moral compass has been lost in a magnet factory. We may not be in a Cup Final like Liverpool but neither are we in the gutter."

http://www.true-faith.co.uk/tf/edit...4789174E2A9AD68E802579A20074C350?OpenDocument

Of course, Irish will dismiss this as 'pathetic' and will claim that this is just the result of bile against Dogleish. What he will ignore is that this fanzine has, on more ocassions than I can recall, chided NUFC fans for their immaturity when visiting Anfield. Take the match report from December 11, for example:

Our Fans; I’m going to have to split this into 3 sections...

1/10 for still singing ‘You’ll never get a job, car radio songs’ Far less than visits here, say, 5 years ago but still way too many lads and lasses revelling in Liverpool’s history of unemployment. Fuck off. Lads in front of me spent vast periods of the game holding up £20 notes and pointing saying ‘do you know what one of these is’. Apart from the obvious flaws in this argument in that the game cost Liverpool fans £44 to get in and the general cost of football means people who are unemployed or struggling financially can’t afford to go to games, it made me a little bit ashamed to be associated with NUFC as the Liverpool fans to our left will look upon us with the same vitriol as me and a few others felt with the Arsenal fans doing the same last February at 4 nil up. Like that day, the lads acting like cunts ended up with egg on their face due to the result.

http://www.true-faith.co.uk/tf/Matc...25b91da30aac935c8025797800430662?OpenDocument

Dragged. Through. The. Gutter.

MTF

 

I had 3 highlights from the Man Utd game, you might each prefer a particular one:

1. the comedy collision between Evra and Ferdinand culminating in Rio's face-landing.
2. watching Paul Scholes put on a masterclass display
3. watching the loons on facebiff/twitter using a still image to 'prove' that Suarez wanted to shake Evra's hand but it was Evra who refused.

Of course, all of the above paled into insignificance next to the Pienaar/Fellaini masterclass against Chelsea.

 

Forgiveness truly is a rare virtue.

 

Aye, and that's what it comes down to, isn't it? They have you well figured out. Its like a class of schoolboys, they are all happy as long as muggins is stood in the corner on his own, so long as it isn't them. Teacher can only hit one person at a time.

 

Aye, that'll be it.

MTF :wack:

 

Where the hell has John W. Henry been? What was the primary owner of Liverpool doing while the club’s reputation went down the pan? Who was minding the shop? No one, it seemed, while the store’s goodwill was trashed in an easily avoidable race riot.

Until yesterday’s apology no one seemed prepared to take control at Anfield and reverse the stream of PR own goals that have flowed since Luis Suárez used the word “negro” to Patrice Evra last October?

Kenny Dalglish’s reputation has been tarnished. He has made bad decisions but he has been let down by those around him. On Saturday, Suárez let his manager down. He allowed the Scot to address the world last Thursday with an assurance that the player would shake hands with Evra. How humiliating must it have been for the bench to see the snub and the confrontation that followed.

Suárez feels wronged and the Liverpool fanbase agrees with him. But this is not Ian Callaghan. Suárez is obnoxious. He bites people, he handles on the line in crucial World Cup games, he is a horrible, niggly cheat. You love players like this when they wear your team’s colours and hate them if they don’t. But there comes a time when love has to cease to be blind.

If Dalglish, who is so wrapped up in the football side of things, can’t see it, someone at the club needed to be able to approach the crisis with some clarity of thought. Damien Comolli didn’t.

The director of football waltzed into the officials’ room last October and spelt out what Suárez had said for the referee. Literally. N, E, G, R ... you get the picture. What should he have done? Say nothing, blank the accusations and wait to see if there was any proof from the Sky microphones that a racist insult had been used. It’s not the moral thing to do, but managers and clubs through the ages have done this. Liverpool could have used the 24 hours or so when the tapes were being scrutinised to come up with a convincing argument about cultural differences. But there was no strategy. The bull-headed football man that is Dalglish needed reining in.

He should be glorying in a year that has taken his side from five points off the bottom of the table to a potential trophy. Instead, race will dominate the agenda. Ian Ayre, the suddenly visible managing director, has let the manager down, too. He should have seen the bigger picture.

How could he have sat by and watched Dalglish go on television in the Suárez T-shirt? It would not be so bad if Henry and Fenway Sports Group had only one crisis to deal with over the past six months. But the meltdown at the Boston Red Sox last September was as mind-boggling as any of the Anfield antics. From a dominating position in their division, the Red Sox won a mere seven games in September and lost 20. They did not make the play-offs and stories emerged of players eating chicken wings and drinking beer in the dressing rooms during games. When the players complained about scheduling two games in a day to avoid Hurricane Irene, Henry threw a party for them on his yacht and gave them each a set of $300 headphones. As crisis management, it was risible.

FSG’s sense of disengagement over autumn and winter is even more stark when the silence about the possibility of a new stadium is taken into account. When Martin Broughton was charged with selling Liverpool by the former owners, he said only one thing was non-negotiable: stadium money had to be in place. Perhaps non-negotiable meant that it was not even discussed as the club went into FGS’s hands for £218 million. Three months later, Liverpool sold their star striker for £50 million.

It still seems like a bargain. So why, 18 months on, is there no public strategy for stadium development? It may not seem so important now, but come 2015 and the effects of Financial Fair Play and Liverpool may struggle to compete with the likes of Manchester United and Arsenal. Dalglish has not come out of this mess well. But he has done enough for the club to be allowed a poor stretch.

As a player, as a manager, he has always done what he thought best for Liverpool. The way he handled the aftermath of the Hillsborough disaster was magnificent. More recently, he was the only man who could unite and repair a club who were shattered almost beyond saving by the Gillett and Hicks years.

No other man in the world could have done it. Even Bill Shankly would blanch at such a task. This week, we saw a fine manager fall victim to the confused and smug thinking of his superiors.

Fabio Capello was let down by the men around him. If the same happens to the Liverpool manager, Suárez, Henry, Comolli, Ayre and the rest will have to live with a poisoned legacy. It is time for Henry to impose himself.

Tony Evans wrote this today. He's normally quite ardent in his pro-LFC stance.

 

I had no problem with Pienaar leaving - he'd worked his arrse off for 2.5 years during his contract, and wanted a crack at CL football with a time with more financial ambition than us.

I expected him to struggle to hold down a starting role there.

 

Evans?? You are having a laugh. This is the same man who personally apologized for not questioning Gillett and Hicks motives back in 2007 and had nothing to say when Benitez was being referred to as being "beneath contempt". If he thinks he can make up for this by attacking the new owners he is wrong. Perversely, the one thing he could have attacked them for, namely failing to tell the FA, Gordon Taylor, Patrice Evra and Manchester United to go and fuck themselves, he has not done.