Boxing's DYING???...

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  1. REEDsART

    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

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    Floyd vs. Cotto
    Manny Pac vs. Bradley
    Khan vs. Peterson II
    Berto vs. Ortiz II

    The On-Going Saga of the Supermiddle Division (Froch vs WHOMEVER, Ward vs WHOMEVER, Bute vs WHOMEVER)...

    Gamboa vs. Rios
    Possibilty of Donaire vs Rigondeaux, Gamboa, Cabellero, etc...
    Broner Eventually Inserting Himself Into the 130/135 Mix....

    Chavez Jr's Progress....Canelo's Progress...

    Is Boxing REALLY "Dying"???...


    REED:dancingBaby:
     
  2. ILLUMINATI

    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    HELL NO boxing is not DYING...but it needs an infusion of TALENT...


    I find it hard to believe that there isn't more good/great fighters coming out of Europe, Asia, South/Central America the whole fucking planet. I think promotional companies need to go out and scout for TALENT, not wait for talent to fall on their laps.
     
  3. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

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    agREED

    The talent pool is so shallow that anybody who shows a bit of promise gets a promoter and is immediately protected.

    Careful matchmaking in one form or another has always existed. However today many guys holding world "championships" are treated the same way as yesterday's prospects.
     
  4. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Only UFC fans who dont even know whats going on in boxing say that.

    Boxing is still alive.
     
  5. Shoeshiner

    Shoeshiner WBC Champion

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    Boxing is alive and well. It just needs a little help at the higher weight classes.
     
  6. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

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    That would help considerably.
     
  7. ILLUMINATI

    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    Look before Irish comes in here with an itchy vagina...the Klits are good, but they are uncharismatic and dry. If they spoke better english and they talk a bit of smack like James Toney, they would be the most hated fighters in boxing ergo one of the most popular.....

    Just think....the klitchko's beating the hell out of every african american, mexican, american gringo, etc heavy in the world...and then talking shit how good they are and "We can't be defeated"...
     
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    KaukipRrr "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    :lol: :doh: ... wtf
     
  9. Double L

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    No case for boxing's thriving should include mention of Chavez Jr.
     
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    Free Ike WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I have never been so uninterested in the sport in my life.
     
  11. BOSS

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    Boxing is just like reetard's brain cells. Dying with each passing minute.
     
  12. Anthony

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    Oh for fucks sake. I retire from following this shitey sport.
    -Huthut

    Fuck Boxing
    -Free Ike

    Boxing is a Manure Lagoon
    -Hut

    It is dead in the USA
    - Free Ike

    Hate to admit it but yeah it's dying
    - Slice & Dice

    I don't know about the popularity in other countries... but the craft of the sport, the skills of the younger fighters are on average the poorest I've seen in my own lifetime.
    -Cdogg

    It's dead. We're just consuming the last speckles from the bones at this point then all that'll be left is the skeleton and the jobby filled intestines.
    -Hut

    Boxing sucks
    -Cdogg

    If it's not dying it's certainly ill.
    -Whiskey

    Truthfully, I'm just as bored of boxing as the next man
    -Sly

    It's dying in America, simple as that
    -MWS

    I'm still a boxing fan, but I find it harder and harder to find fighters and fights to get excited about.
    -Broadway Joe
     
  13. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

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    boxing could be better but i still follow it and look forward to many fights. dying implies it will eventually be dead, and that simply will never happen.
     
  14. Dog Jones

    Dog Jones WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I blame Godfather
     
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    Hut gets 3 quotes and I get none? WTF?!?!?!
     
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    Neil tueur de grenouilles

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    did this chump godfather really search to find all those quotes or does he simply save them whenever he sees them here and there. :atu:
     
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    I wanted to make sure i got the hardcore boxing fans in there, who normally arent fans of UFC. I wanted to set the record straight and object to Puerto Rock's statement.
     
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    Ok. Cool. Carry on. :warning:
     
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    Everybody is so negative about boxing. Anything good that happens is ignored anything that sucks is highlighted. People say all boxing has is Floyd and Manny but these guys are huge, 2 of the biggest stars ever. Both guys get 1 million buys every fight. I remember some UFC shill of a writer saying after Oscar retires boxing will never do 1M buys on PPV. Boxing will always have stars and always will have a huge worldwide audience. Haters gonna hate and crybabies are gonna cry.
     
  20. Haymaker

    Haymaker WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Boxing is not dying, the heavyweight division is DEAD.
     
  21. REEDsART

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    But that's Part of your TIRED Schtick, Ike...NO Self Professed FAN of Chris Byrd & Winky Wright has the "Wright" to Bitch about ANY Era of Professional Pugilism...




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  22. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

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    he aint exactly the proper, objective source to discuss the problems of boxing with.
     
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    Vitali vs Chisora, Banks vs Firtha, Arreola vs Molina and Huck vs Povetkin were all held in the last two weeks and apart from Banks vs Firtha, they were all very decent fare.

    Show me one other division that had 4 fights at that level in the same short time-frame ???

    Two of the Ring Magazine top 10 pfp are heavyweights- same as when Lewis and Holyfield went at it. In fact after the draw in MSG- Ring dropped Holyfield from the rankings.

    Helenius vs Chisora was a decent fight also.

    Thats 5 fights in the space of 5 weeks.

    Pretty decent level of activity.

    Of course only one of them took place in the USA. :wack:

    Is Arreola any worse of a heavyweight in the historiacall sense than Alexander was as a Light-Welter or Welter?

    I'd reckon Arreola does no worse vs Joe Frazier or Sonny Liston than Alexander does vs Ray Robinson or Hearns.
     
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    What this guy said
     
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    Obviously "Dying" is a bit of hyperbole, or just the wwrong choice of words. The sentiment is that boxing is declining. And I'm sorry but your list of fights only proves that to be true, imo.

    Floyd v Cotto and Pac v Bradley are excellent fights if not for the fact that is a a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUEG disappointment to what almost EVERY fan (and every casual observer) wants to see.

    Super middleweight division has been excellent. Donaire, Gamboa, Martinez and Broner are bright spots.

    Chavez Jr, as someone else mentioned, should never be mentioned except for proof of boxing's decline. Alvarez is pretty good.

    It'll take a bit, but try and look up what fights were on the horizon 5, 10 & 15 years ago around this time and compare them to the fights you listed.... I feel like there would be a major difference.
     
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    Do you still think that Golota proved he was just as good as all the heavyweights in the 1980's because of his fight in 1998 with Tim Witherspoon?

    Or that Witherspoon is proof that the 1980's heavies were overrated because he lost to Lou Savarese in 2002?
     
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    Witherspoon lost to Savarese. Period.
     
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    Trplsec Sleeps in a Cage

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    As boxing fans we might be a little too critical and spoiled.

    For my money, there is absolutely nothing wrong with boxing's upcoming schedule. In fact, the Cinco De Mayo card is better than good in my opinion.

    Sure the talent level could be better and the HW division could stand an injection of Ali or Tyson. And despite having my pet peeves and long list of things I'd like to see change in boxing, overall my personal interest has probably improved recently.

    I've got Reed to blame for that. The dude called me on the carpet for being a shitty fan and being too critical. He was dead-on.
     
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    Chavez Jr. is Quite Possibly THE Most PROTECTED Fighter of All Times, but he's also MARKETABLE...That's GOOD for the Sport...




    REED:limp:
     
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