Is Victor Ortiz a career 140 pounder?

A retarded waste of life called loadedgloves argued with me that Ortiz is not a career 140 pounder.

My logic is that seeing as the vast majority of his career has occured at around 140 fighting 140 pounders, he's a career 140 pounder.

loadedgloves' logic is that because he comes to the ring heavy, he's not, and therefore is presumably a career welterweight?

What do you think, is he a career 140 pounder?

 

Just because a guy spent the majority of his career at a 140 lbs doesn't make him a career 140 pounder....

Oh, wait, yes it does.

 

Exactly, it's one of the single dumbest arguments I've ever heard on fightbeat ::

I don't give a shit if Ortiz balloons upto 200 pounds between fights and comes to the ring weighing 175, if he can actually weigh in at 140 and has mainly fought other fighters fighting at the 140 pound contractual weight limit, a career 140 pounder is EXACTLY what he is.

 

Once again MWS creates a thread stating a skewed and biased version of my position to try to get people to agree with him to make people feel better about himself. He does this every single time I make him look stupid, as he is a dickless little turd who is incapable of backing up his arguments with anything aside from "people agree with me." Maybe if his mother had paid more attention to him, he wouldn't be a homosexual chav constantly seeking external validation.

What I took issue with was this statement:

Ortiz is only 25. But he isn't a welter because he was making 140 when he was 18 years old? A guy who made 140 for FOUR FUCKING FIGHTS after the age of 19, moved up to 147 at the age of 24, and came in the ring weighing 164 lbs isn't a welterweight because he's a "career 140 lber" .. at 24? You're a fucking simpleton. According to you we should replace boxing's weight divisions with your feebleminded subjective perceptions of who is bigger and who isn't. THAT is something I guarantee you nobody else agrees with.

 

most his career has been there

that said he is the biggest welterweight Lamply has ever seen!

 

No it isn't, weight limits are determined by what you can get down to at the weigh in, not what weight you come to the ring as.

 

Weight divisions are what weight YOU CAN GET DOWN TO, not what weight you come to the ring is.

An incredibly simple concept that for some bizarre fucking reason you can't seem to comprehend.

I don't care if Caballero for example comes to the ring weighing 160 pounds, if most of his fights have been held under the 122 pound weight limit, he's a career super bantam.

And so what if Ortiz is only 25, thus far, he's a career 140 pounder, it's not even arguable. Except of course, if you're as idiotic as you.

It's like saying Bernard Hopkins is not a career middleweight as he came to the ring weighing more than 160 ::

 

Not surprisingly, you completely missed my point. Try reading what I said again, maybe have your caretaker explain it to you.

 

Oh really?

Seems pretty black and white to me ::

Most of Ortiz's fights have been at 140 or less, so yes, he is a career 140 pounder. The vast majority of the guys he has fought have been 140 pounders, NOT welterweights.

In loadedgloves' warped little brain Ortiz is a career welterweight because he comes in heavy, despite the fact that he's fought like 2 welterweights ::

 

I never said he was a career welterweight. I know this is complicated for you, so I'm trying to be patient here. Let me try to put it in the simplest possible language for you:

a) Most of his fights took place before he was 19, he was still a kid. Most men grow and fill into their frames well into their 20s.

b) The ages of 19-24 was the only period where he consistently made the 140 lb limit, for a whopping 4 fights.

c) The last time he made the limit of 140, he came in the ring nearly 22 lbs heavier than the official weight limit.

GIVEN ALL OF THIS. Saying he IS NOT a welterweight because he was a "career 140 lber" for FOUR WHOLE FIGHTS, BEFORE HIS BODY HAD MATURED, WHEN HE WAS VERY HEAVY FOR THE WEIGHT CLASS TO BEGIN WITH, is STUPID.

 

He's a career 140lbr with a functional weight advantage.

 

None of that matters. If his fights have been against 140 pounders, not welters, then yes he is a career 140 pounder, even if he did come in slightly heavy most of the time and came to the ring weighing 160. His fights were still 140 fights against 140 pounders.

If he weighed in exactly the same, but was fighting welterweights, then yes he would be a career welterweight.

My point wasn't even about size, it was about him being unproven at welter. He had fought the grand total of ONE proper welter before he fought Floyd.

 

That's exactly what he is.

 

I'd like to see a re-match with Maidana at 147

 

Actually, since you said that he wasn't a welterweight, it was about size. Unless your subjective assbrained criteria for what constitutes a weight class has been altered according to your needs, again.

Oh, and since Floyd hasn't fought one proper welter either according to you, in that case Floyd must not be a welter either. Yet you were having a meltdown (and created another thread on this forum, of course) in the process of insisting that he was, in fact, a welter.

 

ortiz was huge at 140lbs. ever seen the guy in person?

 

Doesn't matter.

How many 140 pounders has he fought? How many welters has he fought?

 

Manny is a proven welterweight, despite being fucking tiny. In fact he's more of a proven welter than Ortiz, as he's been at the weight longer and beaten more welterweights.

Of course Floyd has fought proper welters, just not 1 good, prime welter.

 

ortiz is a bigger man than you

 

He'd KO Ortiz in less than 10 seconds. Ortiz quit against Maidana, who isn't that good, whereas MWS has been training in combat sports since the age of 5.

 

Actually he's exactly the same size I think, but from what people say, he's about twice your size :kidcool:

 

Jim Lampley said thats what he was, thats what he is. HBO. They sign the checks.

Hatton had two major title fights at 147.......he was a 140lbr.

So far, thats as many major title fights as Ortiz has had at 147....two.

I reckon he will rematch Berto and if he loses, he will be back at 140 in due course.

 

Care to place a sig bet on whether Ortiz will return to 140?

 

I'll sig bet you, I think he won't, 1 month sig bet, deal?

 

He's not going back to 140 ever.

 

He would if he could, but since the Maidana fight he's become the biggest welterweight of all time, so there's no way he's going back now.