Last time the two best in each division fought

Dont get me wrong. I love boxing too. I honestly do think it were a little bit more like the UFC in this respect, just like I wish the UFC was more like boxing in that it isnt run by an egotistical white trash tyrant.

 

They dont have the control that Dana has.

 

Not me

 

If it was just 1, of course. Lol

 

More about his personality and the cheezy way he promotes his product. I also dont trust the guy.

 

edgar won

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAH FUCK YOU Z!!!!!!:flip:

That is Me, Anthony, Shoeshiner, and even gay ass Gatti for Frankie to your one mancrush vote for Ben. I am sooooo much cooler than youartie:

 

Lies, the vote was rigged worse than a Florida election.

 

:atu:

 

No questions. When it comes to match making, you can't help but make the comparison. And boxing is going to unfortunately look bad in those discussions.

But, as I've said a million times, it's an apples to oranges comparison.

It's easy for the UFC to match the best against each other because the talent pool in MMA is extremely shallow. With the growing popularity, it's getting deeper, but right now there isn't much depth.

And then Zuffa, with purchases and other promotions folding, have all but a handful of the best fighters under their umbrella. So it's easy to match the best guys against each other. But I wonder if that doesn't slow the talent pool from deepening.

Think about it. In boxing a guy typically isn't at his career best after 5 or even 15 fights. In the UFC, fighters are pitted almost immediately against the best fighters in the world. There is little chance to develop and consequently little chance to provide a wholesale expansion to the talent pool.

The other thing that is slowly changing is the view of a loss in MMA. Back in the Pride days or even early UFC, a loss didn't really damage a guy's standing like a loss in boxing did. However, that is changing a bit. Guys like Shields, Florian, Carwin, etc are all after thoughts in the overall rankings due to loses. But keep in mind, their loses were to some of the best guys in the sport.

I wonder how long it will be until UFC fighters are weighing the risk-reward of certain tough match-ups like boxers do now. It's difficult in the UFC because you basically HAVE to fight whoever they put in front of you. But something tells me more guys will eventually start bitching. If I'm Condit, for example, there is no balancing reward to offset the significant risk of fighting Jake Ellenberger before the shot at GSP.

 

You talkin shit homey? :shadow:

 

He knows better. He knows you personally trained Fancy Pants..

 

Excellent post.

While we may disagree with what all of this means, I agree with every point you made.

 

Never going to happen. These guys are under contract to the UFC, if they start refusing fights and asking for more money, they will need to find a new job.

 

I didn't say 'refuse'. I said 'start bitching about it'.

They can't refuse but they can get injured.

 

:: at never going to happen. No one has any idea what the future holds, but if cagefighting continues to grow the history of every other American sport ever dictates the fighters will earn more and more pull.

 

Dana already addressed this. Saying that if a guy is pulling out of a fight because of an injury, they are sent to the UFC's doctors to determine if they are full of shit.

 

There would have to be several promotion of the same caliber of the UFC for this to happen. There is nowhere to go to negotiate a better deal, and the UFC has the vast majority of the best fighters.

 

Right now. It's naive to think that can't change as the industry evolves.

 

I know your thought is all of my points bolster your stance that UFC fighters should be paid more.

And I will admit, if you remove the unknown expense factor from the equation, it would be nice to see fighters make more since they are ALWAYS pitted against the best guys in the sport. Furthermore, their career ability to demand top dollar clearly diminishes more in today's environment with loses.

That being said, maybe the unknown bonuses accomplish this. But I'd like to know for sure.

 

I see nothing on the horizon.

 

Have you heard any UFC fighters complaining lately? The way I see it, if it's good enough for the fighter it's good enough for me.

 

Nothing ever stays the same. There was nothing on the horizon when baseball players were slaves to the owners either. Wars will be fought, some lost, some won. As I said, every major American sport proves this.

 

I kind of respectfully disagree Z... There are guys making a decent living as pro MMA fighters outside the UFC. Certainly the UFC is the place to be and I would assume the best paying option.

However, if I'm a young fighter and I can beat the fuck out of Bellator's best and still make $150-$200K a year without the same risk of losing EACH time out like in the UFC, it might not be a bad option.

Not to mention, it bolsters your standing/ranking/earning potential if you do eventually move over to the UFC.

The problem is that young fighters want that UFC exposure. No one really cares that your an MMA fighter if you're not in the UFC.