Julian Jackson

Discussion in 'General Boxing Discussion' started by Trey KO, Mar 16, 2012.

  1. Trey KO

    Trey KO WBC Champion

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2002
    Messages:
    514
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Jacksonville, Florida via The Bronx, NYC........
    I hate how Julian Jackson was buried in Don King's stable at the wrong time. He came along when King had Tyson and Chavez. If you mention Jackson's name to anyone who's not a mainstream boxing fan, they will not even be able to tell you anything about him. Considering his knockout power, especially at 154, he should be known world wide.

    More people know Terry Norris than Jackson. We know what happened there!

    I know this should be in MM, but I would have like to have seen Jackson against Winky Wright, Fernando Vargas, Ike Quartey and Shane Mosely at 154!

    I would not mind seeing Jackson against James Toney at 160. James would flat out outclass him, but Toney will have to get hit sooner or later. I just want to see how he reacts to perhaps the hardest p4p puncher in the history of the game.
     
  2. Buddy Rydell

    Buddy Rydell Boxingpress Alumnus

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2003
    Messages:
    6,450
    Likes Received:
    77
    Occupation:
    Small animal repair technician
    Location:
    Within driving distance of a Pizza Hut
    Home Page:
    I wonder if Norris always had a less-than-sturdy chin or if it was just completely ruined by those two flush Jackson shots.
     
  3. Nobleart

    Nobleart Narwhal King

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2003
    Messages:
    28,920
    Likes Received:
    2,342
    Occupation:
    Poking the Beast
    Location:
    Insert Clever Metaphor Here
    :bears:


    [​IMG]
     
  4. StingerKarl

    StingerKarl Ace Degenerate

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Messages:
    6,543
    Likes Received:
    121
    Gender:
    Male
    I caught him a couple of times in person, adn he hit Thomas Tate with everything and the kitchen sink at the LV Hilton and couldn't stop him.

    Won a bundle on Quincy Taylor over him, but I really liked Julian a lot, and won big on him vs. Norris.
     
  5. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    30,692
    Likes Received:
    4
    Jackson/Wright is an interesting match. I'd pick JJ to beat the others you named at 154, and I think Toney'd be able to take his best shots and stop him at 160.
     
  6. Free Ike

    Free Ike WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2011
    Messages:
    10,242
    Likes Received:
    0
    Occupation:
    None
    Location:
    Jake's Rule Violations: 3.5
    Don King buried him because he was blind in one eye. So Jackson had to take scraps or get exposed and banned. He was a better fighter than TERESA nORRIS.
     
  7. cdogg187

    cdogg187 GLADYS

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    90,394
    Likes Received:
    4,376
    Occupation:
    SUCK MY BALLS!!
    Location:
    Beyond The Pale
    fun fighter, one of the best single shots anybody has ever had in their arsenal
     
  8. ArturoGatti

    ArturoGatti WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    16,580
    Likes Received:
    171
    Home Page:
    i watch his greatest KOs on youtube every week.

    Underrated JJ KO i sthe one over Wayne Powell, it was the fight before Graham, and it was also a 4th round KO with a right hand.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YIfzWl1i10

    Check out the replay that starts at 3:40, jeez.
     
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2012
  9. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2002
    Messages:
    47,235
    Likes Received:
    5,116
    Sickening power.
     
  10. Trey KO

    Trey KO WBC Champion

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2002
    Messages:
    514
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Jacksonville, Florida via The Bronx, NYC........
  11. Trplsec

    Trplsec Sleeps in a Cage

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2004
    Messages:
    14,692
    Likes Received:
    5
    Funny, but I was 21 years old and got to watch McCallum-Jackson live in Miami. To this day it is probably my all-time favorite 'Live' boxing moment. Combined these dudes were something like 55 and 0 with 50 knockouts. The atmosphere was unreal. It was a 'real' boxing environment and unlike anything I've been to since.

    At 154, Jackson's power was second to NO one including Tommy Hearns. His shots sounded hard and you could tell he was basically getting every ounce and inch of his body into every shot.

    In the McCallum fight, the problem was the way McCallum was narrowly avoiding Jackson's winging shots and always able to stay on balance and close to Jackson in order to return fire. It was THE fight that made me a fan of McCallum. It was the sweet science over raw, devastating power.

    Oddly, when watching it live, I thought it was a clearly justified stoppage, but when watching replays, it isn't so clear. I think McCallum would have ended it eventually but I would love to have seen it continue and even a rematch down the road with a more mature Jackson would have been cool.

    Great era for Jr. Middles.
     
  12. ArturoGatti

    ArturoGatti WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    16,580
    Likes Received:
    171
    Home Page:
    That was a great short fight.
     
  13. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Toney would have KILLED Jackson in a complete and utter mismatch.

    As you were.
     
  14. mikE

    mikE "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2004
    Messages:
    8,360
    Likes Received:
    76
    Toney didn't kill too many fighters, even in his prime.

    Did he kill any with Jackson's credentials? Can't think of any.

    Perhaps you are thinking of one of his invariable pre-fight rants where he said he was going to kick ass on his way to a decision?
     
  15. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Tony stopped the HUGE Nunn who was 10x more talented than Jackson. He also evicerated Barkley among others. Toney proved the strength of his chin all the way up to heavyweight.

    This is a mismatch.
     
  16. ArturoGatti

    ArturoGatti WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    16,580
    Likes Received:
    171
    Home Page:
    I think Jackson would have smashed Nunn. Toney would have won a decision over him, I agree with mikE.
     
  17. Hex-One

    Hex-One "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2003
    Messages:
    7,625
    Likes Received:
    2
    Occupation:
    None of your business
    Location:
    Allentown Pa
    Jackson had some serious power. Great fighter to watch.
     
  18. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,491
    Likes Received:
    13,174
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Nunn would have beaten the shit outta Jackson, and theres no way in hell Jackson is lasting the distance with Toney.

    Jackson was a BEAST at 154, and theres not too many junior middles in history that beat him IMO.

    At 160, it was a different story.
     
  19. Dog Jones

    Dog Jones WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    May 3, 2010
    Messages:
    14,583
    Likes Received:
    1,279
    I'd love to see Jackson vs. The Ginger
     
  20. cdogg187

    cdogg187 GLADYS

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    90,394
    Likes Received:
    4,376
    Occupation:
    SUCK MY BALLS!!
    Location:
    Beyond The Pale
    Jackson was definitely more vulnerable at 160, X is correct
     
  21. cdogg187

    cdogg187 GLADYS

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    90,394
    Likes Received:
    4,376
    Occupation:
    SUCK MY BALLS!!
    Location:
    Beyond The Pale
    Reggie Johnson, who hit about as hard as you do, knocked Toney on his ass and hurt him, probably deserved the decision too
     
  22. Free Ike

    Free Ike WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2011
    Messages:
    10,242
    Likes Received:
    0
    Occupation:
    None
    Location:
    Jake's Rule Violations: 3.5
    Toney gets more passes than anyone in history. He looked like shit in probably 10 fights, THE Tiberi fight being the cherry on top. I am a TONEY fan too.
     
  23. loadedgloves

    loadedgloves "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2010
    Messages:
    6,945
    Likes Received:
    0
    Toney was hurt, but not that bad. He took Johnson lightly, got careless, and got hit with a hard shot right on the button.. and got back up right away.

    I doubt he'd be so careless against Jackson. McCallum was a far superior fighter and hit far harder than Reggie Johnson, and he never hurt Toney.
     
  24. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,491
    Likes Received:
    13,174
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    If the Ginger had a soul, Jackson would knock it outta his body.
     
  25. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,491
    Likes Received:
    13,174
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    Reggie Johnson had underrated power. Don't try to make it seem like he was a feather fist.

    He buzzed Steve Collins several times in their fight.
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2012
  26. ArturoGatti

    ArturoGatti WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    16,580
    Likes Received:
    171
    Home Page:
    no doubt.
     
  27. Buddy Rydell

    Buddy Rydell Boxingpress Alumnus

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2003
    Messages:
    6,450
    Likes Received:
    77
    Occupation:
    Small animal repair technician
    Location:
    Within driving distance of a Pizza Hut
    Home Page:
    He did have a detached retina in the Herol Graham fight, but that was after being hit by a line drive while playing baseball in the Virgin Islands. I thought he had corrective surgery. The only time the eye thing became an issue is when he considered not re-signing with King from what I recall.
     
  28. cdogg187

    cdogg187 GLADYS

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    90,394
    Likes Received:
    4,376
    Occupation:
    SUCK MY BALLS!!
    Location:
    Beyond The Pale
    compared to Julian Jackson, he was a feather fist, that's the point
     
  29. cdogg187

    cdogg187 GLADYS

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    90,394
    Likes Received:
    4,376
    Occupation:
    SUCK MY BALLS!!
    Location:
    Beyond The Pale
    I agree McCallum was far superior, but I disagree about the power. At 160, McCallum was hardly the banger he'd been at 154. He had to hit guys A LOT to hurt them

    The bottom line is that Toney could be hurt, he just didn't get hit cleanly very often because he was so excellent defensively... not saying he didn't have a good chin, because he did, but we are talking about Julian Jackson here... the idea that Toney's beard is so strong that Julian Jackson has no chance of hurting him is preposterous. This isn't Marvin Hagler we are talking about, Toney's chin wasn't like THAT
     
  30. loadedgloves

    loadedgloves "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2010
    Messages:
    6,945
    Likes Received:
    0
    I definitely agree Jackson was capable of hurting Toney if he landed clean, I just think Toney would be on his A game for that fight and would go out of his way to make sure it didn't happen. Jackson would have a very slim puncher's chance, that's about it.
     

Share This Page