Harder puncher, Leonard or ODLH?

Buddy's post in MMs got me thinking this. Which one of these hit harder, either p4p or at welter?

Personally, I'd say p4p it is Oscar clearly (meaning him at lightweight), at welter it is very even. Leonard perhaps did the more damage as his punches were a bit faster and more accurate, but measuring power, I don't know

 

leonard could crack with either hand

 

Welter and above it's Leonard, but for just one single punch i think De La Hoya's left hook was a bit more potent of a weapon.

 

Yep. Oscar improved his right hand later on but it still wasn't a punch to "fear".

 

De La Hoya was a big puncher at lightweight, but he wasn't really a true lightweight by any means. Leonard was the bigger puncher at a weight that was actually natural for him.

 

delahoya knocked out some chinny lightweights when he was 145+lbs. leonard knocked out legit welters at that weight.

what would leonard have done to ruelas

 

Leonard fought in the 80's so SRL by defualt.

 

I'm surprised if anyone rates DLH's power higher than Leonard's. DLH was a converted southpaw who relied on the left hook whereas Leonard could put you asleep with either hand.

DLH used to starve himself for days to make 130, and though he cracked pretty hard at 135, after 135, his power seemed downgraded to me.

He probably should have spent more time at 140, but he skipped through it rather quickly. At 147 he didn't have anywhere near Leonard's power.

 

leonard, hands down. even when he was old, his KO over lalonde was BRUTAL.

 

I think Leonard's power gets a bit overrated because he was otherwise such a magnificent fighter. He had deadly combinations, great speed and accuracy, but he didn't score that many one-punch KOs and didn't finish many opponents early. I think Oscar could match his power (if nothing else)

 

Leonard. He could do more serious damage with single shots (mainly the left hook) and showed some nice pop at the higher weights as well.

 

I think Oscar's one-punch power in his left hook may have to be rated higher. No?

 

Leonard is GREATER and the more popular fighter, and would have beaten Oscar head to head 10 times out of 10......and so because of this 99% of the forum would say he hits harder at Welterweight. But those of us that are not blinded by that bias KNOW that Oscar's left hook is harder than any single Leonard punch.

 

Watch the Dave Green fight. Leonard didn't rely on just one punch. He had a whole arsenal of weapons that were all powerful. He also fought at Jr. Middle, Middle, and Super Middle (the light heavyweight title was bogus because Lalonde had to make 168).

Leonard fought at 140 in the Olympics, but he didn't shrink down to try and win titles at lighter weights by eating ice chips and crap like that. He fought at his natural weight. DLH did not, and that's why DLH had a bunch of KO wins against naturally smaller guys.

 

Same. Was it better my miles? No, of course not but i think as a weapon it was more lethal.

 

Exactly. And this is the end of the matter.

We all understand that Leonard is the great Sugar Ray Leonard and that Oscar is a crossdresser nancy boy. However the fact remains that Oscar's left hook is harder than any single Leonard punch.

 

ray was better in every category except maybe "gayness"

 

I don't see how ANYBODY could make a case for Oscar here.

Leonard hit harder with BOTH hands.

 

No. I'd say even Leonard's hook was better.

 

I assure you it wouldn't have taken Leonard 11 rounds to put away a faded Vargas.

He would have done it in about 6-7.

 

Which 1) has very little to do with who had the bigger punch and 2) is probably inaccurate anyway

 

Let's see some vids.

 

It means that Oscar wasn't a big puncher above 147. He was a HUGE puncher at 135-140, mainly because he was really a damn WELTERWEIGHT fighting lightweights/jnr welters.

Leonard was able to carry his power all the way to 160. He hit harder with either hand.

And its not inaccurate at all. The slow, roided up Vargas that fought DLH would have gotten raped by Leonard.

Honestly, Leonard beats up and stops ANY version of Vargas. But the version of Nando prior to the Tito fight might last 10-11 before getting stopped, and would be more competitive.

 

Leonard almost killed Green with that left hook, had Gonzalez done after one right hand, completely changed the momentum of the Hearns and Howard fights with one left hook, and turned the Lalonde fight in his favor with simply one straight right hand. He was hurt, came back with a straight right that hurt Lalonde, then came his finishing ability.

DLH couldn't do that sort of damage at those weights with singular punches.

 

Oscar's left hook at 147-154 was not harder than any single Leonard punch. At 135, maybe. But again, imagine if Leonard had starved himself down to 135?

 

DLH also benefitted from most of his earlier opponents being naturally much smaller. He fought at lightweight right up until his first title shot---against the WBO Junior Lightweight Champ Bredahl who looked like a deer in the headlights of an oncoming transport truck.

DLH looked like a killer when he was fighting guys who weren't known for being able to hit back, and he was still getting dropped (Narciso Valenzuela, Giorgio Campanella).

Then he fought at 135 and that's where he got most of his victories by KO/TKO---but again, he was fighting guys moving up from 130lbs (Leija, Molina, Hernandez).

Leonard was fighting consistently better competition on his way towards his first world title, and he didn't fight the weakest champ to win. He faced Benitez. I think anybody looks like a killer against overmatched, undersized opposition. I'm not convinced DLH hit harder at all with the left.

 

I wouldn't say Leonard had a better jab than Oscar.

 

I dunno....Leonard's balls were frequently played with by his amateur coaches. And Ray always has been a rather soft spoken gentle lad.....

 

Oscar's jab was good primarily because he fought out of the wrong stance. He is a natural southpaw.

 

so? Same thing can be said of Winky's. Hagler's. The fact is that Oscar's jab was very good. I wouldn't necessarily say it was better than Ray's but it was certainly equivalent at least.