It would be interesting to see what happens when a reigning UFC champion's contract is coming to an end and he suddenly decides to say "F*ck the UFC, I want MUCH MORE MONEY!" Dana will sh*t rocks! :34: The power shifts towards the fighters and they start making the rules which the UFC brass have no choice but to comply with. All the fighters know that Dana and the Fertittas are low balling them. If they don't know it, they should. GSP and Anderson should be commanding $5 million per fight. Not $500K. If Dana had $2 million to offer Fedor back in 2007 then it's obvious he can afford to pay that much to the champions in his company. It's funny how Dana had 2 mill out of nowhere to offer Fedor while his reigning champ at the time Couture was only make 250K per fight. LOL!!! Couture was shocked when the news got out. ::
Wow, my continual verbal ass whippings toward you have really forced you to grasp at anything. And again, the primary place where your lacking is reading comprehension. I clearly said that 1 loss doesn't destroy a fighter's marketability in MMA.. Now I want you to go get an adult to read that last sentence for you. It says "MMA" not the UFC. I've even made the MMA bold so it's stands out to even the most simple person. Now have the adult explain the difference to you. I have absolutely NO opinion about the worth or lack of worth of the UFC's sponsoring of fighters. My opinion is very simple. A loss in MMA does not destroy a fighter's marketability. Your reputation as the board's biggest dolt has been well-earned.
UFC will just re-write history and act like the guy was never the champ. They done it to BJ Penn. The UFC acted like he was never the welterweight champion when he got stripped.
I dont think anyone is saying a loss will destroy it. But there is no doubt that his marketability will be affected.
Isnt obvious to you??? The sponsored fighter will be the face of the UFC. They will have invested in this fighter which means they have a vested interest. Something at stake. If they choose to sponsor only a couple of fighters, dont you think they are doing so for exposure and because it makes good business sense? People dont want to sponsor losers. Period.
Actually someone...... no wait,......you did say it: You didn't say hurt, affect or diminish. You said they LOSE their marketability. And honestly, that's my very simple point. They might affect their marketability temporarily but they certainly don't lose it.
The Jon Jones sposorship deal is for UFC clothing. It's just a deal that requires him to wear UFC gear for fight week and UFC shorts on fight night. I believe it is a one fight deal as far as I can tell. Now you women can keep on arguing.
Overeem and Mir have the same deal. Jon Jones in currently in Negotiations with a huge company for sponsorship.
I haven't heard anything about Overeem or Mir. Post a source or it didn't happen. As far as I know Jones is the first and only UFC sponsored fighter.
Are you telling me that Alessio Sakara is the "face" of the UFC?? C'mon man. The face of the UFC are the guys who have their pictures plastered on billboards, doing television appearances, and doing promos for the sport. Organizations pics a select few to represent the sport who are likeable and successful. Saying that "all" fighters are the "face" of the UFC just doesnt make any sense at all.
if Sakara becomes the champion, or even a contender or even he rapes someone tomorow and is caught, yes, he will be a face for the UFC. Lets use your logic. Is Anderson Silva the face of the UFC?
"Every UFC fighter is the face of the UFC. Sponsored or not. Dont you understand that?" Remember this?
Yes i anwered that claim. I said if Sakara became champ, became a contender or raped someone, would he not the Face of the UFC? Now i asked you specifically about Silva. Is he the Face of the UFC? Since you claim the UFC sponsored fighter would be the face. What do you say about Silva? GSP? Cruz? Sonnen? What do you say? By answering this questions, your arguement fails.
Jon Jones' manager says sponsorship doesn't show UFC bias, major deal looming by John Morgan on Apr 17, 2012 at 7:30 pm ET UFC light heavyweight Jon Jones has quickly become one of the biggest superstars in the world's largest MMA promotion, and the UFC is going to capitalize on that popularity by branding its logo all over Jones and his team during UFC 145 fight-week events. Some MMA pundits have been critical of the decision, suggesting the UFC is showing favoritism toward Jones with the move. Jones' manager, Malki Kawa, insists that's simply not true. In fact, he believes Jones' opponent, Rashad Evans, likely could have earned the same deal should he have wanted. "I don't think that anybody is favoring anybody," Kawa told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "They're not that type of guys, at all. It's not like that. My experience with them has been that they're as fair across the board. "From what I understand, Alistair Overeem is going to be wearing UFC gear, as well. Overeem's manager is Rashad's manager. It's not like Rashad's manager didn't have the opportunity to put Rashad in it. I'm sure if Rashad had wanted to wear UFC gear, they'd have been happy to put him in it, too. It was just our decision to do what we wanted to do." On a recent media conference call previewing Saturday's UFC 145 event, which takes place at Atlanta's Philips Arena, Jones admitted he's currently hoping to land a deal with a major company such as Nike. Kawa said the new arrangement with the UFC allows him to continue negotiating just such a deal. "Jon went on the record and said he has a vision and a goal of being sponsored by Nike," Kawa said. "So when we were doing our marketing strategy, talking about what route to go, we figured that as opposed to doing something with an MMA sponsor and jeopardizing a potential deal with Nike or Adidas or Reebok or Under Armour, we would pass on the endemic sponsors that are in MMA right now. That was really how it happened. "The UFC didn't contact us and say, 'Hey, we're interested in putting Jon in our shirts and shorts. Let's get into a bidding war.' That's not what happened. It's nothing like that. It was our decision to not go in with any other sponsors." In conjunction with the branding deal, the UFC introduced a line of Jon Jones-related clothing products that include a weigh-in shirt, walkout shirt, fight shorts and cornermen shirts, among others. Kawa said it was a unique opportunity that benefits both Jones and the UFC but also allows the light heavyweight champ an opportunity to pursue a few marquee sponsors without fear of conflicting contracts. "We wanted to just stay clean and stay away from any brands that are out there or considered an MMA sponsor, per se," Kawa said. "We passed. We were in negotiations with a bunch of companies, and we just decided at the end of the day that the risk was worth the reward. We're real close to getting a deal done with one of the major shoe companies, and we just wanted to continue down that path. That's all. "It's not like anybody from the UFC came and said, 'Hey, we want to sponsor you.' I just thought it made more sense with certain things we had going on in the business side. This is our marketing strategy and our goals. That's really what it comes down to – nothing more than that." Kawa likened the approach to the one utilized by UFC welterweight champ Georges St-Pierre, who after competing in plain shorts for several fights landed deals with Gatorade and Under Armour. "Bottom line is people in this industry don't always understand what marketing really is, and they don't understand sponsorships and endorsements and what that really means," Kawa said. "Could I have gone out and gotten a deal for this fight for some decent money and put him in a shirt and shorts just to see what happens? Yeah, but what if a company would have said then, 'Hey, we want to sponsor him, but he's got all this other stuff.' We just decided to pass on all that. We just decided to look at what we want to do and try and take it to a different level. "You notice Georges St-Pierre came out for a long time in plain shorts and just an Affliction shirt and never really had any sponsors. It was just part of his objective to be sponsored by certain sponsors. We just decided to do our own thing, as well." And Kawa believes the decision to eschew traditional sponsorship forms will ultimately pay off, provided Jones can topple Evans in UFC 145's main event. The manager said with a victory, he's certain a major deal will follow. "I can pretty much bank on the fact that with a victory this Saturday, by the end of the year Jon will be sporting a major shoe company's brand," Kawa said. "Whether it's Nike, Under Armor, Reebok or Adidas, one of those four companies will be on Jon Jones. From the conversations I've had with numerous different people and things that we have going on on our end, it's going to happen. Jon's going to be that guy." Until then, he's the UFC's guy, and Kawa said those who view the deal as somehow controversial are simply making too much out of a unique arrangement. It's a new approach for both the fighter and the promotion, and Kawa believes it's mutually beneficial for both. "It was an idea we came up with that works with what Jon wants to do in terms of his brand and image," Kawa said. "We thought the only way to do it was to not get involved with another company at this point. It just kind of worked itself out based on conversations we had in regards to a number of different things."
UFC: More clothing deals to come by Sergio Non/USA TODAY on Apr 19, 2012 at 7:45 am ET Jon Jones wasn't the first and won't be the last fighter to wear his promotion's branded clothing into the cage. "Going forward, there's more and more," says Bryan Johnston, the Ultimate Fighting Championship's chief marketing officer. "As we develop better products specifically for guys fighting in UFC, you'll see more of them want to wear the product." During a conference call with reporters last week, Jones revealed that for his next fight, UFC's logo will be the only adornment on his shorts. Jones, who prefers to limit the number of clothing products that he endorses, reached an apparel agreement with UFC after his previous clothing sponsor abandoned the mixed martial arts field last year. His opponent on Saturday at UFC 145, Rashad Evans, does not have a clothing agreement with his fight promoter, leading some observers to suggest that Jones' deal creates a perception of favoritism. But UFC's clothing business would love to put its apparel on Evans, CEO Lorenzo Fertitta says. "He's not available to even wear any UFC-branded gear in a fight because he's already got a pre-existing deal," Fertitta says. "So I don't know how anybody can come to the conclusion that one fighter is being favored over the other." USA TODAY spoke to Fertitta and Johnston this week about how UFC's apparel business works with fighters. Excerpts from the conversation: USA TODAY: I gather UFC believes "sponsorship" is the wrong term for what's going on with Jon Jones. Is it inaccurate? BRYAN JOHNSTON: Yes, it's inaccurate because you've got to remember that their organization has got over 350 fighters in it. So if you start at the very basic level, our job is to support the fighters. At the fighter summit, we probably gave out a quarter of a million dollars in product. Every single fighter – whether they were a new fighter entering the organization or a fighter like Jon Jones – got the exact same product offering. So it starts with lifestyle product (and) training product, things that they need specifically in the gym. It's no different than the mindset that you have working at Nike or Adidas or Under Armour, where you use the athletes that are within your world to help you develop world-class products for that specific sport. LORENZO FERTITTA: At the end of the day, this is not your traditional fight-promotion company. What we've really built here is a completely different animal. Yeah, we put fights on, but we're a global media/lifestyle company. As part of that, we've been able to create a number of different business silos, whether it be on the videogaming side; on the licensing side with different products; on the DVD side; digital downloads. And this is another silo which is, we've developed a lifestyle clothing brand, in addition to a performance line of clothing that's used for training. The people that are responsible for running that department understand that the way they're going to be able to hit their sales quotas is that the general consumer, the general public needs to be exposed to the product. How you do that is, you get the product on the athletes. No different than (how) TapouT wants to do that, and MMAElite and Jaco and all these other guys. The Jon Jones thing, it's really kind baffling to me that people have kind of responded the way they have. I guess because people don't really understand how it came about. To give you a little bit of background, I was going through the process of renegotiating with Jon and his management team on his fight contract. One of the things they brought up was that Jon was at a point where he didn't necessarily want to sign contracts with some of these smaller, what I'll call, T-shirt companies that you historically see in UFC, whether it be Tapout or MMA Elite or any of these other guys. His aspirations (were) that he wanted to be signed by a Nike or an Adidas or an Under Armour, somebody like that. The reality is, those opportunities don't present themselves to Jon right now, and that's why I suggested, "Hey look, we've got this performance line of gear. Let us send it to you. You can test it. You can try it out. If you like it, then you can wear it in your next couple of fights." In addition to that, it's nonexclusive. (He) can still go out and get a deal with Nike, Under Armour, Reebok or Adidas. So it's a very open-ended process as far as him wearing that. And there's been other guys that have worn UFC-branded product to fight in as well. So it's not necessarily the first time. BRYAN JOHNSTON: We tried to actually do a quick count of how many times fighters have worn UFC gear, and we can't even count it. But it's in excess of 20. If you go to UFC's (website) and you look at the apparel part of the website, you'll see Phil Davis, Urijah Faber, Clay Guida – I can't even give you the list of fighters that are all wearing the performance gear and all wearing the lifestyle gear. I think the issue that we have and that we're dealing with in a weird way is a very uneducated media audience as well as a fanbase that's not really looking at this from a way that an Adidas, a Nike or an Under Armour would. My background was with Burton Snowboards. Just to be really clear, Burton Snowboards owns and operates five of the largest snowboard events in the world: the U.S. Open, Canadian Open, European Open, Australian Open, the Asian Open. Not only do we own the event, we actually own the judging. ... This concept (of not having specific athletes endorse an event organizer's clothing) has never even come up in that world of sports. You take surfing; Kelly Slater, 10-time world champion. The Quicksilver Pro is one of the biggest events in the world. So should Quicksilver stop sponsoring Kelly Slater – not even sponsoring, but having Kelly involved in product development – because they own a surfing event? Probably not. You want to go into Under Armour. Under Armour probably has 25 percent of the high-school football programs in the country. They've probably got 25 percent of the college-football programs in the country. They also have the NFL combines and the college combines. Should they get out of the combine business? It's really a baffling (idea). LORENZO FERTITTA: Yeah. I was actually surprised that people were concerned with this. But whatever. USA TODAY: The perception or suggestion on the part of some folks is that because only one fighter is wearing your gear in the cage, he is being favored over the other in the fight. Why is that not true? LORENZO FERTITTA: Well, first of all, I don't know what we could possibly do to favor him. Anything relative to the fight or the outcome of the fight is 100 percent completely out of our control. The fact of the matter is, Rashad has a deal with Jaco. I don't know the express terms of it, but it's probably a very good deal. That's who he chose to sign a deal with. He's not available to even wear any UFC-branded gear in a fight because he's already got a pre-existing deal. So I don't know how anybody can come to the conclusion that one fighter is being favored over the other. Jon was out of contract. He didn't have a deal, and he didn't want to sign another deal with one of those typical MMA brands and decided that he wanted to wear UFC gear. BRYAN JOHNSTON: The general frustration, if you talk to our fighters, is that no one is making a performance line specifically for a mixed martial artist and a mixed martial arts fighter. Everything that they're adopting from either Nike, Adidas or Under Armour, it's built for other players in other sports. So the fit's not right. The things that they need to train in is not built specifically for what they do every day. So when Lorenzo hired me – this goes back three-and-a-half years ago – probably one of the very first things we did was, we got Gray Maynard in here. Because Gray Maynard was close by, had a great background, had a great relationship with the guys in our gym. Again, no different than Nike, Adidas or Under Armour. We brought Gray Maynard into the fold and really started using him to start helping us develop the first product. This is the way things work in a sporting-goods business. USA TODAY: When the athletes wear this performance gear or lifestyle apparel into the cage, are they compensated extra for that, or is it built into their fight contracts? Fertitta: It depends. Every contract's different. There's different incentives that are built into fight contracts. There's different modes of compensation. In some cases guys wear the gear as part of their fight contract, and in some cases they're compensated above and beyond that. USA TODAY: If Rashad was not under contract to another apparel manufacturer, would he be a guy you'd want wearing your gear? Fertitta: Certainly. Listen, we'd love to have as many guys that want to wear gear. Of course, Rashad would (be someone we'd want). You're talking about two of the highest level, most exposed fighters that we have on our roster. Of course, Rashad would be. BRYAN JOHNSTON: Then again, if you go to the UFC website, not only did Rashad get involved in the early development of product, there's photos of him on our website in the compression gear, in the training gear. He was one of the main guys that we used to develop sizing. In the Nike/Adidas/Under Armour model, you pick certain athletes that actually fit people who walk the street, and he worked perfectly.
Brian Stann, you'll see Brian Stann on the website because he fits the profile of the extra-large guy in the street working out in the gym. Again, the number of athletes that have been involved in this product development, above and beyond the 350 that were given product at the fighter summit ... there's a core group of 20 people that we used on multiple, multiple bases for testing and doing photo shoots. USA TODAY: In terms of actually wearing the gear into the cage for a real fight, how many fighters have done that besides Jon? BRYAN JOHNSTON: Again, we can't really count it, but you've got everything from the guy who just came over from China (Tiequan Zhang), and then there's a whole list of fighters who typically find on the undercard, that may not have a sponsor, that we gladly give product to. Quite frankly, going forward, there's more and more. As we develop better products specifically for guys fighting in UFC, you'll see more of them want to wear the product. USA TODAY: Are you looking to have more of the type of partnerships that you have with Jon Jones, as far as a apparel goes, or is that more of a unique situation? LORENZO FERTITTA: Look, we're in the very early stages of developing a business plan and a business strategy. Merchandise is a business that we're pursuing. We're out there talking to multiple different distributors, sporting goods stores in both Canada/the United States and Europe. ... In fact, the line doesn't actually officially launch into retail stores until the fall, is my understanding. So we're just in the very early stages of putting together the marketing plan. As we've said before, it's very basic and very obvious. You get an 18-year-old kid out there, and how do you create demand that that kid wants to wear the gear? They want to wear what the athletes are wearing. And that's what the basic strategy is. USA TODAY: Back in 2008 when Affliction was getting into the fight-promotion business, USA TODAY did an interview with Dana White in which he said: "Are you kidding me? It's like me saying I'm going to go out tomorrow and start a T-shirt company and compete with Affliction. The [expletive] do I know about selling T-shirts?" Since then, what convinced UFC that it should go into that business and investigate that sort of lifestyle apparel? LORENZO FERTITTA: Well, I think at the time, we didn't have that core competency. Certainly, I'm no expert and Dana's no expert. But that's why we hired Bryan, who was senior marketing guy at Burton, (which) is a massive retail business – we've recently hired a whole separate infrastructure of guys – and really one of the guys at Burton that was responsible for over $800 million of revenue coming into the company, and multiple different types of merchandise platforms. And they operate as a completely separate business. They don't know or care who's fighting who, who's doing what, any of that stuff. They're building strategies and plans on their own to build that business, and leveraging the distribution that we have and the billion homes around the world that are potentially going to be viewing the event. They're brainstorming, trying to figure out, "OK, how do we sell more product?" They believe we sell more product (by getting) the product on our athletes. To get the product on our athletes, we've got to go out and either give it to them or do a separate deal and, once again, provide our athletes with another benefit that other promoters can't. USA TODAY: Does this cause any tension with the companies that currently pay you fees to be sponsors in UFC? LORENZO FERTITTA: I don't know. I don't think so. I think at the end of the day, they're looking for the same thing that our guys are looking for: exposure. That's why TapouT and all these other guys want their product on our show because it's an extremely valuable thing. That's how they built their company. BRYAN JOHNSTON: The other people that kind of surround our business, the majority of them are licensing businesses built on making T-shirts. To do what we're trying to do, you can't do that on a license model. Nike, Adidas, Under Armour – they don't license anything. We're running this business like a real sporting goods/apparel and equipment business. So that's the fundamental difference, and it's why we don't get the pushback – because they don't have the resources to do it.
Yeah right. Answer my question. Is Silva, GSP, Sonnen, Evans, Jackson, JDS, Cain the face of the UFC?
Suck, you made a stupid strawman argument that really is irrelevant. When you sponsor someone, you want them to do well. When the UFC invests in a specific fighter to sponsor them in a manner different to all others, it's either a true conflict or an apparent conflict. You can pat yourself on the back about how smart you think you are, but when it comes to the UFC on almost any issue you are nothing but a transparent shill and you look foolish. This thread is a perfect example. Now please, bring up Brock Lesnar and how he was still popular after a loss as if that proves anything relevant to the topic at hand.
Explain why it's stupid? Explain why the UFC, would want a UFC contracted fighter, who is wearing UFC shorts to win a fight over another UFC contracted fighter, who is not wearing UFC shorts. I WOULD LOVE to hear this. You see it's so easy for you to SAY it's stupid. But when i put you on the spot and have you explain why, you draw a blank. You draw a blank because you realise it's you who doesnt make any sense.
BTW, Mike i consider your suck and blow comments towards TRP and myself a violation of the forum rules. If you cannot address us without the name calling, you can leave this sub forum.
IT's the base of sponsorship, why does Nike pay millions of $ to Jordan to wear their clothes yet wouldn't pay me a dime for the same. Because their's gonna be a shitload of eyeballs who's gonna watch him, lot of kids who'll want to emulate him wich translate to a lot of people seeing what he's wearing and telling themselves they'll look great with those shorts on too. If he underperforms, he,s gonna be far less in the media's eyes wich will translate to far fewer person seeing the things he's paid to wear. Now, if the UFC pay's a fighter to wear UFC gear, they'll want the maximum person to be aware of him so they can maximise their revenue from the gear they sell. You don't pay for publicity ( wich sponsorship is a for of ) in hope that no one sees it. And who's the public gonna be more aware of ? A dude fighting in a championship fight or some hard luck pugilist who loses the close ones ?? And that is exactly where the potential for conflict of interst arose. To be honest, I shouldn't even had to explain it, it's obvious
OK... Here's where we give Mike the Moron a chance to look smart. Other than issues dealing with pay, list ALL the issues that I've supported the UFC on? And keep in mind, my only comment about sponsorship is "I need more details to draw a conclusion." Again, do I need to dumb that comment down for you since it seems you can't comprehend even the most simple things? So, I'll wait. Since I support the UFC on all issues, please list them with my comment showing support. And to make it easier, here's a list of things that I've slammed the UFC for just within the last 2 weeks: 1) Consistency on drug test failure punishment 2) Dana's dumb ass comments about soccer as he readies for a card in Brazil 3) The UFC decision to air TUF on Friday nights Ok so that's 3-0 in my favor..... Do you realize how easy it is to make you look like a total dolt?
Since I can't call you Suck anymore, be sure to know I am thinking it. You support their cards relentlessly, like a cheerleader, and rarely, if ever, even acknowledge that individual matchups are weak. Here, I'll set myself up for the crowd, but why do you think no one, besides your twin, comes to your defense when I call you a UFC shill? Because they like me more than you? haha no way. Because it's obvious I'm, and the others who say it, are right? hmmm Addressing your high schoolish list. We are in agreement on the drug testing stuff, the soccer stuff was irrelevant, and TUF on Friday nights isn't a criticism, but just an observation that is not really a slam on the UFC. I suppose, in theory, you could have stood up for the UFC on their weak punishment, but I'm not giving you a gold star for being right on one issue. Just because I'm often critical of the UFC doesn't mean I have to be critical of everything thing they do, does it? And I'm not.
Sorry man. There are many things that you can criticize the UFC on, but having weak matchups is definately not one of them.