Rank these fighters from most skilled to least skilled

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  1. Rainmaker

    Rainmaker "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    How would you rank these fighters in terms of skill?

    - Roy Jones Jr
    - James Toney
    - Bernard Hopkins
    - Muhammed Ali
    - Mike Tyson
    - Roberto Duran
    - Sugar Ray Leoanard
    - Floyd Mayweather Jr
    - Marvin Hagler
    - Manny Pacquiao
    - Oscar Delahoya
    - Evander Holyfield
    - Larry Holmes
     
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  2. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    What does skill mean?
     
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  3. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    I'll rank them on my definition of skill - impartible technique

    1) Duran/Toney/Hopkins/Floyd
    5) Holy/Hagler/Leonard/
    8) Holmes/Tyson/Ali/Jones
    12) Oscar/Pac
     
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    Roid Jones is a very overrated glass jawed steroid abuser.
     
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  5. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    A Golota groupie calling someone a roid abuser.

    Oh boy........
     
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    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    I feel like its an insult to the rest of those guys to even have DLH on the list.

    Everybody on that list was AT LEAST one level above Oscar.
     
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    Free Ike WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Duran is dead last.Holding isn't a skill.
     
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  8. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    Oh shush.
     
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  9. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    But to answer the question........ Floyd and Leonard are the the two top guys here. Hopkins was/is super skilled as well, but one tier below Floyd and Ray IMO.

    If the question was pure talent...... it'd be Roy, followed by Leonard, Ali, and Floyd.
     
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    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    It's basically a totally meaningless question, tbh
     
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    Putting personality totally aside, if I could get one of them to teach my kid everything he knows, it'd probably be either Duran or Toney.
     
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    Hi, here is my list:-

    Bernard Hopkins
    Roy Jones Junior
    James Toney
    Floyd
    Hagler
    Sugar Ray Leonard
    Evander Holyfield
    Larry Holmes
    Mike Tyson
    Oscar
    Manny

    Yours, Bernard Hopkins.
     
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    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    LMAO! Imagine having Toney AND Duran teaching you everything.

    Your kid would become the biggest shit talker in history. AND he'd gain about 75 pounds between fights.
     
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  14. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    :lol:

    James Toney minding your kid
     
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    I love that Toney interview where he calls Rampage "Quimpton Arsehole Jackson" :lol: :lol:
     
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    He was just vozying his ping.
     
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    How do you know he said that?? Were there captions?
     
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  18. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    "All you gotta do is talk to yo masta."

    "Talk to ya masta bwoy!, come holla at me!"
     
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  19. Jesus of montreal

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    fomr first to last

    - Floyd Mayweather Jr
    - James Toney
    - Bernard Hopkins
    - Larry Holmes
    - Marvin Hagler
    - Evander Holyfield
    - Sugar Ray Leoanard
    - Mike Tyson
    - Muhammed Ali
    - Roy Jones Jr
    - Oscar Delahoya
    - Roberto Duran
    - Manny Pacquiao
     
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    "Skill" is in and of itself a vague category

    Do we define by the textbook? In that case, Jones and Ali would never make a list... they did everything you aren't SUPPOSED to do, but they made it work with their unique physical talents.

    If we define it as "doing it correctly", Harold Johnson is probably the most "skilled" fighter I have ever seen.

    It's a pretty meaningless and vague question, really
     
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  21. Destruction and Mayhem

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    I'm going to assume you mean talent (who beats who talent...not just fucking "athleticism")

    1. Jones
    2. Ali
    3. mayweather
    4. Leonard
    5. pacquiao
    6. Hopkins
    7. Duran
    8. Tyson
    9. Holmes
    10. Toney
    11. Hagler
    12. Holyfield
    13. De La Hoya

    So let it be written!!
     
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  22. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

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    We have to therefore choose a definition that suits us, define it and then formulate a list.

    Arguing over the meaning of the word "skill" is stupid and unfruitful.
     
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    I assumed he meant skill :lol:
     
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    Wasn't it skill when Roy dodged every punch thrown his way and landed six punch combos?
     
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    would kelly pavlik have been successful copying the technique Jones used to do that?
     
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    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    It wasn't replicable, even by Roy 2 years later. so Id say it was mainly something else
     
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    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Skill can be taught, talent cant.

    If we're talking skill, Whitaker defintely would be near the top of that list. Higher than Roy. Roy was more talented, though.Better athlete, faster hands, more power. But Whitaker had the fundamentals of defense down that few did with his ability to slip punches and counter punch.
     
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    That's what I mean....you are complicating the issue.

    Complicating issue = fucking up topic
     
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    If we are just talking teachable skill....this topic is fucked up.

    There are lots of textbook fighters (Michael Watson for example) that Roy Jones would have fucked up. So what's the point of this thread?
     
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    Jones had been perfecting that style day in day out since he was a little kid. It was his own brand of skill, IMO
     
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