Does Floyd vs Cotto change how you feel

No doubt, Cotto is very popular in his own right. Kind of surprised Pacquiao didn't do more than 1.25 vs Cotto tbh. What was the undercard for that fight?

This really should beat Pacquiao Vs Marquez 3 comfortably. That fight wasn't that interesting, plus he has the Ginger to help numbers.

 

Pac & Floyd's numbers are both going up with time, imo (relative to the appeal of the match ups)

 

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Pacquiao had TWO fight in 2011(Mosley/Marquez)....Mayweather only one(Ortiz)

 

Ownage.

 

Each one did more than Floyd's fight, dullard :kidcool:

 

Not even close, please tell me you didn't understand either.

Both of Pacquiao's fights individually topped Floyd Vs Hungry Young Lion Crap.

 

True, it seems like Pacquiao was just as big in 2009 as now, but somehow yeah, their numbers do seem to increase year by year.

 

Marquez and mosley were better known than Ortiz.

Fair comparison is:

Pacquiao vs Oscar compared with Mayweather vs Oscar
Pacquiao vs Mosley compared with Mayweather vs Mosley
Pacquiao vs Cotto compared with Mayweather vs Cotto
Pacquiao vs Marquez compared Mayweather vs Marquez


Who wins that PPV competition??

 

PPv buyers seem to like familiarity above all else. Notice neither Marquez or Mosley became less marketable after being dominated....people just like to know the fighters I think

 

Their most recent common opponent is Marquez, and Pacquiao beat Floyd's numbers by a whopping 40%.

Their current drawing power is what matters, and I think it's similar.

Pacquiao comfortably beat Floyd in Marquez numbers in their recent fight, and I expect Floyd to beat those numbers Vs Cotto, seeing as he's more popular than Marquez, and the card was helped by Alvarez.

 

Things aren't that simple & you know it. The Oscar numbers for one are completely irrelevant. Both were just 'name opponents' in those fights.

 

Yep, like brands basically.

 

In fact, if Floyd can't trump 1.45 Vs Cotto, then Pacquiao deserves more than 50%.

 

Agree. I expect him to though. I predict 1.8 odd. That doesn't conclusively mean he's more marketable in 2012 though, even though most the numbers will suggest that at first glace. Reading between the lines things are pretty nuanced....it's close.

 

And let's not forget that Mayweather vs. Cotto had that mick boner in the undercard.....




























Ohhhhh shit is that racist?:scratcher:

 

May vs. Cotto probably did over 2 million buys...

 

When Cotto was attacking like a rabid dog and driving mayweather to the ropes, he had lots of success, Mayweather counters didn't seem hard enough to discourage him (wich surprised me).

At one point, I tought Cotto was on the way too winning the fight, and wearing mayweather down, but he wasn't able to keep that pace for long. Pacquiao, has shown unhuman (wink) stamina recently, better work rate, better speed and better power than cotto, and I think he will be able to improve on the same strategy.

But, as I said, I wouldn't be shocked if Bradley beats Pac, so it could be a moot point

 

Watching it again, I give Pac a good chance if he can perform like he did couple of yrs back. If he gets a few in the bank early, can connect with a couple of hard shots, & his conditioning is good enough, he may pull it off.
If he keeps the fight in centre ring, he can keep turning PBF, work from weird angles, throw lots of punched in bunches, & then get out of range of any sneaky counters.

I really think that a guy who kept in centre ring, with a good rangy jab, who threw lots of combo's off the jab, workied angles & kept turning, and could tie PBF up so he didn't get off of of the clinches would beat him.

 

Mayweather didnt look very good imo. I give Pac a good chance of winning.

 

Why is everyone convinced Pacquiao will struggle with Bradley? I know it's off topic, but it is your premise here.

In many ways, Bradley is a perfect opponent for Pacquiao.

 

No question. In fact, as past it as he was, ODH could've been that guy if he'd fought a more disciplined fight.

 

I just read that Cotto actually fought Floyd with a hurt right hand. Apparently he punched some hbo crew guy out during the filming of 24/7 after the guy proposed a bunk beds idea.

 

I think Pac has lost his fire. I think that he is distracted by his political career, & has lost his killer instinct.
I hope that I'm wrong.

 

Floyd's guarantee for the Cotto fight: $32 million plus ppv.
Floyd could make another $30 million from PPV.
Cotto's guarantee: $8 million, NO PPV.

When they spoke directly, Floyd tried the same negotiation tactic. $40 million guarantee with no ppv upside. Pacquaio said uh NO. 50-50 on all revenue.

That's why we have both sides blaming the other for the fight not happening but not exactly with the same reasons expressed to the press.

 

if what you said about is true then why the fuck would mayweather jr wanna fight pacquiao and split 50 % of revenue with arum? is he really going to make more than the 60 million dollars you claim he may get vs cotto?

is pacquiao really going to get anywhere close to 40 million for any fight he takes?

 

Mayweather fights whoever accepts his terms. Ortiz, Cotto. Pacquaio is at another level and has broke through to mainstream. He knows his worth.

No Pacman won't but neither will Floyd. BOTH will make the most in their careers from this one fight. Now if Floyd could make this much without involving Arum and putting his undefeated record at risk with a southpaw power puncher , then it's Manny won't accept terms, doesn't want to take tests etc. etc.

 

I think that Manny proposed 55-45 with winner getting 55. (in addition to accepting testing).

 

What a shitty deal for Cotto..why would he accept that.....:shit:

 

Manny has really slowed, Floyd will win handily if they fight in the next year.

 

I think you are recalling correctly. It was after winner getting 55 that Floyd thought Pacquaio would take less and put the no ppv offer on the table to which Manny said think again.

I think in some ways the DLH fight in which Oscar DICTATED terms fucked everything up. Floyd then called himself the cashcow and put possible opponents at a financial disadvantage from the get go.

It's all Oscar's fault.