Does Floyd vs Cotto change how you feel

LOL!

who makes up a stroke?

 

it's just ridiculous to pretend to know what is going on in negotiations.. we hear what the media reports..

i say it is silly to think Floyd is "scared" of Pac..

 

It's the internet, you can make up anything!

I wasn't trying to be a jerk with the stroke comment though. Just a joke.

 

it's all good baby

but why would someone pretend to have a stroke? that's not really "cool"

like "hey.. check me out.. i had a stroke"


i'm super lucky actually..

i guess unlucky to have a stroke but lucky to not be jacked up from it..
i had a co-worker who weirdly enough had a stroke the same month i did.. she was on a flight to germany and it happened on the plane.. to this day (6 years) she can't read or write..

 

I don't mean to ignore Hut's point, but I do think the common opponents are more relevant. the Hatton fights were 18 months apart and both were directly after defeating DLH, i think direct comparisons are relevant there. the Mosley fights are directly comparable, too. Cotto will be relevant to compare, if we can adjust for the Canelo-factor in a reasonable way.

I think it is less fair to just compare the last two years when Floyd has only fought one PPV calibre name in 2 fights in that time period, and Pac has fought 3, in 4 fights.

And i disagree about JMM 3 not being a compelling matchup - this is the guy who "Superman" Pac barely got thru 24 rounds with... and the two prior fights were incredibly entertaining, bloody, and compelling in their own right.

Hut himself points out that if you average out their PPV sales over the last two years, Floyd is still doing better (albeit by a small margin) and that margin will grow larger after the Cotto PPV #'s are released.

 

Nope

 

So, if the numbers are right, Floyd has a slight edge and we assume it will grow larger once the Cotto numbers are released. 1.35 vs. 1.3 is just under 4% difference.... (i think when the numbers aren't rounded it is actually a little less than 3% difference).... what if the Floyd-Cotto fight does 1.8 million? that margin will be up to about 15%. Take away an extra 200,000 buys for Canelo, and the margin would be about 10% in Floyd's favour. Unfair?

 

Fair enough, but also think the Cotto stats might not be that fair, because of the Ginge.

And for me, neither of Pacquiao's fights in 2011 were compelling, I thought he'd crush Marquez and it was clear Mosley was done at that point.

Mosley seemed more compelling against Floyd because he'd looked great against Plasterito.

 

Yeah you're right it's a bit cherry-picky to exclude the Clottey fight I'll concede that. But it is an outlier. Clottey was a complete marketing nothing. It was also in March, which for whatever reason seems to matter.

I think you're right that Floyd's still a slightly bigger draw, I'm just being pedantic about people misusing the numbers to exaggerate the difference. It isn't 60/40 anyway. And when you factor in global appeal I'm not sure Floyd even deserves 51%.

 

Come on LG, it did a little didn't it? It's ok to admit it :kidcool:

 

You did specify "in the last 24 months" tho with regards to Clottey and I hadn't seen that earlier.

 

Not at all.. Cotto's style is well suited to fighting boxers, he's never had a problem with that. Pacquiao is a different animal. Styles make fights. Plus, I didn't really think the fight was very close - competitive, sure, but not close..

 

FWIW I think we might be underplaying the Asia angle. East Asia has a higher aggregate GDP than North America now & allot of them will wanna watch Pac fight Floyd. Not just Fillopinos. It could be the first truly global fight in terms of big income streams.

 

I know I'm just nausing you, and personally I feel it was Cotto's physical strength that played a pretty big role in the fight, rather than him being suited to fighting "boxers".

 

And let's face it, if that fight did come off, surely it would be roughly 50/50 in terms of interest generated don't you think? People want to see them fight each other, the interest and revenue would be massive.

 

It's a good point. I don't know what to say about the global appeal... i don't think Pac's following in the Phillipines counts as much due to the lack of a paying audience... but there is still a huge paying audience to consider in all of Asia, not sure what kind of PPV numbers these guys do outside of the USA, it's annoying enough trying to get the numbers I have compiled on a domestic level and basically that's all I have to go on.

But it is fair to compare their fight purses to determine their worth? Relative to each other?

 

I was extremely annoyed by Floyd's response to Merchant when he asked about the 50/50 split. That was straight bitch, and it made him look stupid to boot.

Floyd is so inarticulate that if you just knew he was a boxer & didn't know anything else about his career, you'd think he was punch drunk. "LIKE I SAID BEFORE, GOING TO JAIL IS PART OF THE TERRITORY." WTF?

 

This is a big part of it, which I think a lot of people are overlooking when it comes to the potential outcome of a Floyd-Pac fight. Floyd is immensely strong, every opponent has commented on how surprised they are by Floyds strength, Cotto was able to match him in this department which played a big part in his success. Pacquiao being the naturally smaller man will be at a disadvantage here. The part which gave me hope of a Pacquiao victory was in the (I think?) 6th round, where Cotto was using his footwork to maneuver Floyd into position and fire off quick jabs and 1-2's, Floyd was getting caught continuously, this version of Floyd might have problems avoiding Pac's straight left if Manny can force him to take the initiative.

 

I very much agree. I think Cotto actually looked slightly stronger.

Apart from the round you're talking about where bizarrely, for one of the only times in his career, Floyd was basically being outboxed - it was Cotto's physical strength that was used to control parts of the fight and keep it competitive.

 

Just to follow up on this

http://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/earnings/athletes-paid-2010.htm

The Earnings estimates (US dollars) are for the period June 2009 to June 2010.

According to this source Mayweather (in one fight vs. Mosley) made $65 million. And Pacquiao (in 2 fights vs. Clottey and Cotto) made $42 million.

Then for Pac-Marg:

http://www.therichest.org/sports/forbes-highest-paid-athletes/

Pacquiao made $25 million in the 12 month timespan that included only the Margarito fight.

and finally:
http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/9/1...t-floyd-guaranteed-25-million-ortiz-2-million

Pac was guaranteed $20 million with PPV upside vs. Mosley, with 1.3 million eventual PPV buys.

Mayweather was guaratneed $25 million with PPV upside vs. ORTIZ, with 1.25 million eventual PPV buys.


I am not certain of the global impact, but it doesn't seem to be helping Pacquiao's earnings in relation to Mayweather's. We already know he was guaranteed $32 million for the Cotto fight, not including PPV upside potential, which we all expect to be better than anything Pac has ever sold.....

 

Floyds live gate receipts and close circuit sales are higher than Manny's. That would have an impact on their purses. Pacquiao is still getting boatloads of money especially when Floyd lives and fights in Las Vegas and Manny lives in General Santos City 10,000 miles away.

 

Right... Floyd makes more and commands more money.

 

:jaw:
I wonder if that's really true. But that aside, I'm not sure how it's relevant that Floyd EARNS more? How does that play a role? Isn't it just that Manny happens to give a shit load of his money away to promoters etc?

 

Maybe that is the main difference, I'm not sure. But you don't think the fact that Mayweather earns more money (as we've seen against similar and identical opposition) has a bearing on who should earn more in a match between the two?

 

Yeah Pac seems pretty simple.

'Fight him we'll give you $25m.'
'Ye, ye. When Training Camp, Freddie?'

 

Supposedly arum gets 30% of pacquiao's purse

 

I wish Manny jsut accepted the flat 40m that was offered. I just want to see if Mayweather was bluffing. I think he should jsut take anything that is offered at this point, not that he doesn't deserve 50% but I am sick of waiting for this fight and it needs to happen.

 

Well, no, I don't see how it's relevant. What is relevant is how much money they actually generate. If Floyd generates more, than fair enough, but if PPVs were the same, and the same price, how WOULD he generate more?

For example, if Pacquiao only netted 100,000 grand, and got shafted out of the rest, yet the money generated was identical to Floyd and Floyd kept near all of it, how is that relevant in who should get a bigger cut?

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It's a fair point. From what I can find Floyd/Pac vs. Mosley did the same numbers in PPV revenue (approximately $75m) with the minor PPV sales discrepency in Floyd's favour.

Floyd v Mosley did better live gate #'s ($11.1m+ vs. $8.9m). But Pac-JMM 3 did better than Floyd-Ortiz (11.6m vs. 9m). Can't find a PPV revenue amt for Pac-JMM 3, but we know it sold incredibly well.

Perhaps the main difference really is the promoter's cut

 

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