Can Sergio Martinez Make 154?

for what? a couple hundred thousand more than he's getting to beat up barker and macklin? makes zero sense financially

those arent big money fights

 

Martinez is already a small MW, I think he's at his limit at MW. Moving up would be stupid. He should just fight everyone from 154-160

 

Martinez won clearly, it wasn't a particularly close fight, as though Pavlik would have won without the cut, a cut that Martinez caused btw by repeatedly punching him really fast ::

Martinez is legit, not sure why he gets so much hate on fightbeat.

I do agree with you though that Floyd stands a great chance of winning. Bizarrely, Neil seems to underrate Floyd somewhat. I know Floyd isn't suited to 154, but he's such a good boxer, with such good fundamentals, that I just imagine him outboxing and outfoxing Martinez en route to a close decision.

 

I don't hate on Martinez, I think he's 3rd best behind Manny and Floyd though.

 

I quite like Martinez but I think Donaire & Ward are flat out better

 

Why do you have to throw a wrench in my rankings? You're right, Ward has really done a lot lately at 168, he deserves to be right up there with Martinez, if not slightly ahead. Donaire, I think has a bit of proving left to do, but his skills cannot be denied. He's right there too.

 

Donaire is on the decline, not sure why but he is. 2 years ago I would agree Donaire is flat out better, but right now I think Martinez is better. Donaire looks sloppy, less sharp than he used to. His performances against 5'1 Narvaez and Vazquez were pretty crap.

An argument could be made that he perhaps needs a bigger name opponent to fight to the best of his ability, but then why doesn't he try and fight one?

 

The Navarez fight was not his fault. The dude just clammed up and didn't even try to fight.

 

I felt like Floyd, Pac, Donaire & Ward would have beaten Macklin & Barker way, way more easily than Martinez did. I don't any of them would have fought tooth and nail with guys like Williams & Cintron either. That is only a few years ago.

I basically think people have put too much weight in the Pavlik win. Sergio is overrated to me....I'd probably have him 6 or 7.

Donaire looked bored in the last couple of fights but I had him losing abut 2 rounds out of 24. He just looked half awake.

 

Take the Pavlik win out Martinez resume and he'd be borderline top 10 at best. Pavlik himself was overrated as all hell.

 

By the same vein, I think Martinez would have KO'd the midget and scrub Donaire fought recently.

Don't forget Martinez is fighting bigger guys. He's a small middleweight. Donaire looked 4 weight divisions bigger than the little Argentinian guy.

Martinez is similar to Morales in that he kind of looks vulnerable, and his fights generally aren't that easy, but he gets results, and wins.

I guess we'll wait and see with Donaire, in his next couple of fights, but my money is on him not doing great against guys his own size, and probably not ever looking as good and sharp as he did a few years ago. I know you like him a lot Hut, but Jake has also noticed the same thing as me, that Donaire has been looking a bit sloppy and crap rather than just bored.

 

This is baffling to me

He is a leap amateur if anyone is

 

I've read the Martinez camp saying they would take an 80/20 split. I'm not kidding.

 

Floyd would then demand 90/10.

 

6 million flat rate would amount to 90-10. i think martinez would take it.

 

Then Floyd would demand 95-5.

 

i dont think the money matters. even if martinez would take the fight for free, its not a fight mayweather jr can win

 

Of course he can win. I'd only make Martinez a slight favourite.

 

Mayweather beats Martinez for sure.

Sergio is good, but rather overrated on this forum. He makes mistakes that Floyd would take advantage of.

 

There's nothing "sure" about it. Martinez is a significantly bigger man, who could probably walk through Floyd's offense and punches harder than anyone Floyd has fought before, and is unpredictable enough to be able to land clean with some regularity.

I would give Floyd a very good chance of winning due to how skilled and clever he is in the ring, there is a possibility he could simply outfox Martinez in a negative fight and win a decision. But if the fight happened, Martinez should be the favourite.

 

Floyd doesn't punch nearly hard enough in the higher weight classes to fully take advantage of any mistakes Martinez might make against him.

It's a fairy tale to even talk about anyways. No way this fight ever happens before Martinez becomes too old for it to even matter.

 

Yes, and we all know Floyd doesn't do shootouts at the OK Corral.

Fuck Floyd. he's a poster child for protectionism dressed up as indomitable brilliance.

He's a fine talent but he is simply not interested in taking risks. Since 135, he hasn't taken a shit without a plan of action first. He's a jumped up bum with a limited high-school education, masquerading as a "business-man", surrounded as he is by advisers and other sundry hanger-ons. Its a sad scene. And now he's going to jail. But its not real jail, just toy jail.

Old Mosley, Old Cotto, Disadvantaged Marquez, Joe Cortez in his back pocket for the Hatton fight, there is always something. The irony of it is that he is very talented and if, as a former 130lb fighter, he went in and lost to Marquez, and then rematched him and lost again, we would think MORE of him than if he never made the fight in the first place.

Boxing is just not the same sport it used to be. Maybe thats for the better. Who knows. Its not that the sport is dying, its just not on the same level it used to be. Guys like Vitali will take a fight on 10 days notice, but Floyd won't do it at all. Who gets the HBO love-fest? Floyd and his aged, dated opponents. Fuck that. Gotta sign on the line which is dotted, win lose or draw.

Fuck or walk. Thats my message to Mayweather.

 

This is a completely stupid post for so many reasons..

First, you mention he's a former 130 lb fighter. Then you say he isn't taking risks, while discussing his most recent fight at 154 lbs - a weight where he clearly doesn't belong. He fought an "old" Cotto who was coming off a big win, at Cotto's optimal weight. The last guy to beat Cotto fought him coming off a brutal loss, at a catchweight of 145 (immediately after, Cotto moved to 154).

Mosley, too, was coming off of a big win against Margarito. More than a few people were picking him to KO Floyd at the time.

When was Floyd supposed to make a 130 lb fight with JMM? I understand that you probably didn't start watching boxing until after Floyd was at 140 lbs, but that is a ridiculous statement if you look at the history.

Oh, and Vitali.. took a fight on 10 days notice as a young contender, and since then his entire reign has been 10000x crappier than anything any of the lower division champs have had to contend with. You're comparing a mediocre young contender who lost to a fat old champion (Vitali Klitschko, 2003) to one of the greatest and most established champions in the history of the sport (Floyd Mayweather Jr, 2012).

 

Cotto was coming off 2 wins before the Pac fight, he was not coming off a loss.

 

One win against a nobody and one fight where he was badly cut against Clottey and struggled to eke out an SD. Not exactly a stellar run.

BTW Martinez would beat Mayweather Jr, I don't see how Floyd deals with his size and speed. Pacquiao wouldn't stand a chance against him either.

 

Somehow beating a one eyed Margarito is a great win to you, but beating a top 10 healthy contender in Clottey is garbage.

 

It was a big win for Cotto subjectively, for obvious reasons. It was a big win objectively for Mosley, also for obvious reasons.

Clottey is crap. If Floyd had fought Clottey people would have shit all over it. Top 10 contender doesn't mean shit, right now Erik Morales and Randall Bailey are top 10 contenders. You want to see Pac or Floyd fighting either of them?

 

Clottey isn't crap, just kind of average at world level. Truthfully though he's better than Plasterito without wraps, no doubt about it. Plasterito sans magic wraps is literally a walking punchbag, just a big tough scrub.

 

Eric Morales just lost, I doubt he ranked by anyone.

 

Its a general point. Floyd wants it set up for him to win, for him to shine, for him to be the man, for everyone else to kow-tow and be embarrassed and slighted and made light of {the Mosley drug testing sham in 24/7 was a repugnant farce designed to embarrass Mosley, abhorrent}

If Floyd wants PHAT HBO money then he needs to take the fights where HE is the underdog, where he is fighting from the bottom up.

I am not comparing Vitali to Floyd, I am comparing the mindest of both men. Some men will take the chances, the short-notice, high-risk fights. Other guys want to talk to Ellerbe to make sure its OK first.