Premier League 2011/12 Season

We've gone from 6 Glaswegian prem managers to 2 in the space of a week. The Engerlish natives are revolting

 

I like Kean, primarily because his team being so shite helped to keep us up, but he also seems like a nice guy

 

Yes, but not today. ::

 

The Green Brigade are leading a supporters strike on season ticket renewals until the board give assurances that they'd veto the admittance of any Rangers newco in the SPL. Puts the board in a very awkward position. But also pretty hilarious.

 

This is the bit that so many people don't remember. His first game was away to United, in the FA Cup, Then Blackpool away in the league, then Everton at home. Everton was the first point he picked up, then he tore away and began to close in on the Europa League places. Torres left for £50m, and then without EITHER Carroll or Suarez, Liverpool beat Chelsea away in the game that was supposed to prove Liverpool were a sinking ship and that Torres had made the right decision. People forget these things.

In the meantime, he's won more Silver at Liverpool in 18 months than Moyes has in 10 years, but its Kenny who doesn't get it? Ok.

There were a lot of near misses in the league, keepers deciding to play stormers at Anfield, the woodwork being hit 20 times or some record number. Sure he made selection gaffes, Downing was a bad signing, we all have our own pet reasons etc. But he deserved another 12 months.

How many teams won at the Emirates this season? Or got change out of Man United and City? Or did a double over Chelsea? It wasn't all shite. You could see that he knew what he was doing, he's not some gormless duffer.

It goes back to what I ALWAYS said....Benitez should NEVER have been fired.

 

Roberto Martinez?

He's a big pal of Rafa's

 

Same here, he'd broken the Duopoly in Spain between Madrid and Barcelona and had also won the UEFA. He proved it was no fluke by dumping both of them out of Europe in due course. Kwalatee manager.

 

Probably, but there was that bad patch where Liverpool had QPR by the balls and went on to lose to QPR, lose to Wigan, lose to Newcastle, and then draw with Villa. That wasn't because there was a concentration on the Cups, its cos there was a real issue that took until another mini-crisis, the Blackburn game away, to address. Liverpool were 10 minutes away from 4 League Losses on the Bounce at one point.

Kenny will always be looked up to and rightly so. He's not damaged his rep at all in my book because he never made any promises, merely said he would come back and help out if needed.

 

QPR have a new crest out.

 

:Thumbs::love:

 

Why mention Moyes? Or if you do, at least add the supplementary info about (I) Kenneth having spent more in 18 months than Moyes has had over those 10 years (ii) Moyes repeatedly having to sell to buy (iii) Despite this Moyes took an ageing team which were amongst the annual relegation favourites and lowered the average age, took them into the top 7 places for 7 of the 10 seasons & only one bottom half finish.

All with a yearly net spend of about £1m.

Consider all of the above, and then reconsider youR snidey jibe at Moyes. In my opinion, Dalglish could never have achieved half of what Moyes has done if in the same circumstances.

 

Moyes was not fired. Neither was Pardew. Neither of them won anything. Therefore, they are good comparators. Both Pardew and Moyes kept their jobs on the basis that they had overachieved. Dalglish was fired on the basis, we are assuming, that he had underachieved, despite winning something.

Dalglish was winning stuff at Liverpool when Everton were able to match them as a Club in financial terms.

 

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I had a more concise answer typed out, but when this forum decides to work properly and let me post, then I'll post it. :shit:

 

Kenny is British too :nono:

Joe actually makes the point for me. Kennys job was to gamble. Moyes job is to be frugal.

Its easier to be frugal. Frugality is not an indication of success should the person suddenly find themselves in clover.

Its a bit harder to go for it.

Consider that, as of 4:30pm last Sunday, Manchester City were finishing the season with the SAME points level that Benitez did when Liverpool finished 2nd in 2009.

Its diminishing returns. Like electricity flowing down a wire. If you don't send any current, the fuse never blows, the wire never melts, no heat is generated. If you do send a lot of current, the chances of a fire, with the light, are always greater.

Its two different arguments. You could give Dalglish NO money and he'd do as well as he did this season. Joe knows this. :nono: Spending nothing and getting something is not necessarily any greater an achievement than spending something and barely getting more than something back.

 

'Having money to spend is a disadvantage' - Irish :::stir:

 

Finish behind Everton?

Your point is based on the supposition that Moyes would make a mess of it if he did in fact have any money to spend, which is entirely speculative. What is not speculative is that Dalglish's 100m+ investments Downing, Adam, Carroll (who I genuinely liked going in), Henderson have all failed to impress, only Suarez has shown anything close to the class expected at a club like Liverpool.

Spending nothing and finishing consistently above your financial station is pretty impressive however you cut it.

 

Now, if Anthony or one of the "others" had said something like that in a discussion with you on economics or minimum wage, you'd be wailing like an orgasmic banshee.

 

Knock them out of the FA Cup {one game that cannot be bought, ever} and beat them twice in the league?

Thats right, which is just as well its not the point I made at all.

No...and you see this is it. How have they "failed to impress"...that is the widest of wide language. They have, at best, "failed to impress" relative to the prices paid for them, in the year they were acquired. That's all. To suggest they will not exceed their current achievements is itself redolent of the speculative supposition to which you referred earlier.

And therein lies the answer to the point above....its a question of relativity. They are not producing relative to the money paid for them by they club they played for, in the year or the time they have been signed for.

Yes it is and I always gave Moyes credit for that, lets remember that. However, its no proof, no indicator, of how well he may do at a later stage should he find himself with "money" to spend. Always remember, guys like Xabi Alonso were signed for £4.5m less than Moyes spent on Fellaini, and Lucas, the cornerstone of so much of what went right and what went wrong for Dalglish at Liverpool, cost £10m less. Lets not go sainting the guy just yet for being frugal.

 

Yes. But the wee laughy and stirry faces render my passive aggressiveness e-acceptable.

 

:: Fucking "Stirry".......:wack:

 

I'll say it now, and I've said it for a long time now, Fellain iis one of the most effective midfielders in the league, and the most similar player in style and stature to Yaya Toure (who is light years ahead of anyone else in the league in his position).

We'll make a profit on Fellaini. No doubt about it.

 

Xabi Alonso was a quality player, a good investment. Fellaini is not on the same level but he is an excellent player, I wouldnt put him forward as a poster boy for bad spending

 

Agreed...and I never denied it. But he's no better than Lucas or Alonso, who were signed for less- FAR less in Lucas case. Lucas got injured and it showed.

 

:scratcher: who did?

My point is that the best player of a guy who is credited for getting jobs done on no money cost three times the price of Lucas Leiva and 1 and a half times the price of Alonso.

Liverpool have been frugal too. As I keep saying, it is often easier to spend less and get, proportionately, more for your money.

 

Yes but don't forget, both were signed a few years before Fellaini, who was bought at the very last moment once Kenwright had sourced another loan.

Also, Lucas was bought as an attacking midfield, failed in that role, and eventually - after a few years of struggle - blossomed into what looks like a potentially superb DM. I like Lucas, he comes across as a nice lad, but also showed a lot of strength in sticking it out at Anfield when things weren't going well and he was a target for fans. I sincerely hope his injury doesn't affect him, like it has done to many, including Jagielka and Arteta for us recently.