Joe Frazier vs Wlad Klitschko

He wasn't in his prime? He'd made 6 defenses of his title before getting KO'd by Sanders, but wasn't in his prime?

He was 28 when he got KO'd by Lamon Brewster. Kind of a late bloomer, eh?

Was he in his prime yet at 29 when alternated between falling around the ring and clutching Sam Peter like he was his big brother?

Or did he not enter his prime until he was 30 years old?

Stop making excuses for the big fairy. He didn't get any better, he just learned how to clinch to avoid getting knocked on his fraternally ravaged ass. It's like saying John Ruiz wasn't in his prime when he got KO'd by Tua. That's bullshit. Like Wlad, Ruiz just learned how to cheat in order to compensate for his lack of chin & defensive ability.

The funniest thing about all of this is that you shit on Duran for holding :atu:

 

It couldn't be anymore ironic.

wald pussy is the biggest, clasping, clutching faggot I've ever seen, and as opposed to doing it to perpetuate his offense, he does it because he's terrified of getting hit, and it's his only real form of defense.

 

After the two KO losses and weak performances he renewed his fighting style and became much more difficult to beat. Anybody who watches his fights objectively should be able to see that.

Lennox too changed his approach after being KOd by McCall and everybody agrees he was more effective after that. While ome make excuses for Mike Tyson that he was past prime before he turned 25. Fighters tend to develop in different times and sometimes it takes years to find the strategy that works best

 

My only problem is that Wlad gets shitted on for his holding while Duran does not, when they hold as much and for same purposes (to gain 'unfai' advantage). Also, Duran commits all other fouls in the book while he is not holding

 

Sorry but Duran doesn't hold anywhere NEAR as much, and some grappling is simply part of infighting, surely you know this, that's why Duran doesn't get shit for it.

It's necessary with infighting to manoevre your opponent, and get into position to land bodypunches, drive your opponent to the ropes, trap him in the corner etc.

It's part of an offensive game, it's not holding for the sake of holding, or holding to avoid being hit.

 

This I can agree with. Still, you need to be a tougher guy than wald pussy to hang with Frazier.

 

Although it's also worth pointing out that Brewster was fighting for the memory of his dead trainer and father figure. He was willing to die that night (like Frazier against Ali, only Brewster was a bum and Frazier wasn't)

Honestly, that motivated, willing to walk through anything version of Brewster would probably still brutally stop the clasping faggot we see fighting today.

 

Wlad was definitely in his prime vs Brewster in the first fight. Most definitely. Shit, Wlad was in his prime prior to that vs Sanders. Prior to Sanders Wlad was beating the hell out of everyone, we mustn't forget.

Nevertheless I get what you are saying. Wlad probably wasn't as smart or experienced a fighter at that point as he has been since that defeat. Probably something to do with Emmanuel Stewart. I can agree with this.

A smarter more experienced Wlad would know how to tie Frazier up and minimize his offense while still being able to unleash deadly punches on him from time to time.

So while we can't just automatically discount the Sanders and Brewster fights, in the context of Wlad's entire career it's unfair to just base this matchups on those fights.

I think Frazier's too hitabble and too small to survive the best Wlad....who, let's be real here, is a murderous punching sonofabitch!

 

Nope. it was just a bad comparison. If you weren't in such a hurry to rush in and defend Wlad, you wouldn't have have made it.

And now throwing in an out-of-retirement Frazier in the last fight of his career is even pointless, because it is even less like like the situation in Brewster-Wlad than your Ali-Banks analogy. I don't get what groupies are thinking sometimes...Wlad's loss to Brewster is what it is. There's no reason to try to put lipstick on a pig here.

And I think Wlad not being in his prime is a bit convenient.

Exaggeration for the reason of making a "point", is still just exaggeration.

Sometimes, just sometimes....it's better to not say anything, rather than posting something just for the sake of having a response. Really.

And I know you will argue this 'till the end of time (most likely with progressively worse examples), in order to have the last word, so this is all I have to say about your choice of poor examples to defend a crappy performance. If you want to give Wlad a pass for this performance by citing other meaningless examples...then have at it.

 

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why would I provide any more posts since you don't seem to read the ones I have posted so far

 

Wladimir Klitschko has the weirdest and most elastic "prime" of any fighter in history

 

I wish sometimes that Wlad had been blessed with his brothers chin and toughness. He had an insanely good offensive arsenal before Sanders and Brewster turned him into a giant pussy.

 

Very similar to Lennox Lewis' prime. Most people agree that Lews' prime began around 1997, when he had learned his new style under Manny's coaching. He was in his 30s. I don't see what is so weird about that

 

:atu:so now wlad wasn't in his prime when he quit against Brewster

 

I don't think he quit. More like collapsed.

 

Correct. He was not mature enough, so he used all his energy early and he could not protect himself. Plus he did not quit. Otherwise a very accurate post from you

 

it was an obvious quitjob, he was making gay eyes at the ref , and the funniest part about it is that he didn't even got hit clean, except for a jab

 

Ugo is probably right here. If prime = competitive best, then wald pussy probably wasn't in his prime as a fighter until a couple years later.

 

I think he looked way better at the time, was faster and more explosive. Just because he beat a couple of cans afterward doesn't make him better.

 

nothing to do with maturity, he just couldn't handle the pressure that Brewster was putting on him. Not to mention that he didn't even looked that tired untill brewster land a few glancing blows on him

 

And for those saying he didn't quit, he clearly makes no with his head to his corner as the fight is stopped

 

Wlad's best victories came after that fight. Also, he never lost more than three rounds after that fight so obviously he learned something. Mainly that with pussy faggot commie style he becomes very difficult to beat

 

Yep.

 

Completely similar to Lennox Lewis'. In fact even their age and trainer match

 

Ugo is right here. Wlad is still awful but Ugo is right.

 

Agreed, Wlad is clearly a more effective fighter post Brewster. Not as dynamic offensively, obviously, but much harder to beat.

 

I third that

 

Via escapology

 

Wlad-Mormek was one of the most disgusting stinks I've ever sniffed. A guy 50lb naturally smaller than him, without any sort of KO power & Wlad fought as if his gloves were smeared with nitrogen trioxide. He grabbed him every time he got within 3 feet. Literally every time. Disgusting escapology.

 

With a decent ref like the sainted Joseph Cooper, Frazier KOs Wlad.