Anyone care about Adamek/Chambers?

chambers can make cruiser apparently, if not light heavy.

 

Thanks, bro

Yeah, Weaver looked like he was sculpted at 202

 

Buster Mathis Sr. and Junior were fat asses, but they could fight fairly well.

 

In a discussion about size it means hes really way smaller than 202. He'd be 180 in the sort of shape 70s heavys were in

Besides...yeah he went 12 but he lost because he didnt throw nearly enough shots

 

Yep. Some folks talk about weight, but then don't consider the conditioning of the fighters.

 

Wait...you guys don't think Eddie Chambers trains as hard as Joe Frazier?

 

Good posts Joe and cdogg.

One thing that's also obvious is Chambers is downright soft, and Adamek is blown up. Neither of these guys are natural 200+ pounders. They'd both be pushed around by the top guys in the 70's too.

 

What a lamentable stupid comment. Cruiser is 200, so yeah, he can "make" Cruiser. And he isn't making 175 without Byrding himself. Flipping your comment around, Adamek was making 175. If you can't find the time to appreciate Chambers a small amount, then at least acknowledge Adamek's efforts. Of course, we know you don't swing that way.

 

Chuck Wepner. The very figure of a man. :doh:

 

Irish 2002/2003. Posting nothing of value to the discussion yet again.

Wepner certainly wasn't Norton or Weaver by any means, but he wasn't a small guy by any reasonable standard. Which is what is being discussed...Ugo's inaccurate generalization about the 70's heavies.

 

What I don't understand is why this is pertinent. Another thing is that, if we are going down this route.......Bob Foster gets fustigated by todays top heavies. Adamek vs Chambers was a decent fight, and did not look out of place in amongst any of the catch-weight make-weight fare we have been served up recently.

 

I agree. But Wepner could have, using Neils logic, probably gotten down to much closer to 200. He was a fat, painfully slow, painfully inept sack of shit who would have been sliced and diced to stoppage after stoppage in todays era. My fondest memory of Wepner was when he said he would eat an opponents eye if it fell out. Ironically, the only person whose eyes were ever falling out were Chucks. Chuck Wepner, Ron Stander, oh man.........

 

Despite your usual efforts to cloud the issue, nearly all of the best heavies of the 70's were over 6'0' and over 200 lbs.

If you bothered to read my post, instead of just seeing Wepner's name and going off on one of your famous tangents, you would have noticed that I referred to Wepner as a fringe contender, which he was.

No one has suggested he was any better than he actuallly was. And since you are clinging desperately to Wepner, and ignoring others, as the crux of your knee-jerk response...it's pretty obvious you know this too.

 

I've always contended that Chambers should be at cruiserweight. His conditioning on Saturday proves that. Light heavy might be a stretch, though. Making weight and being in shape at that weight are two different things. Same reason why Adamek clearly outgrew the division.

 

Ugo said it was common for heavyweight contenders to be under 200 lbs in the 1970s

It wasn't common

That Chuck Wepner happened to be one of the challengers is immaterial... the debate wasn't about quality, but rather the size of contenders.

 

adamek is the only heavyweight i will watch, so Im not sure what youre getting at?

 

In a time of a shit HW division all you'll watch is an average HW?

 

He's not a great heavy, mainly because he's really a cruiser, but he's definitely more watchable than most heavies.

 

honestly he sucks at heavyweight but he has been in plenty of entertaining wars in the past.

 

It's a shame he can't punch at the weight. He has a fun style.

 

Good post, and I stand corrected about my expression. What I meant was that back then it was not weird to be under 200 lbs and there was no discussion of whether or not those guys were legitimate heavyweights. But yeah, it was in 60s when 200 lbs was big.

On sidenote though, out of the guys you listed only two were heavier than Adamek of this fight so I'd say there has been a pretty clear change in fighters' size, which can't be explained completely by lesser training

 

And was later squashed by the two top in their prime heavies he met - Coetzee & Holmes.

 

yup