So it looks like Martinez/Chavez Jr really is happening

Yep, that's why I don't think the Williams KO was lucky or flukish. I think it was Martinez's plan from the get go. Maybe he thought he got to Paul in the first fight and a KO was more likely now, but right from the beginning he was measuring him for that big left hand, and sure enough he landed it completely flush pretty quickly.

So why are you leaning towards Chavez Hut? You think he has a sturdy enough chin to be able to take the incoming and outwork Martinez?

 

Plus moved up in weight.

Especially at his age, making weight more easily has done him some good, plus the extra few pounds his helped his power imo - unlike say Mosley, who lost his snap and explosiveness with the extra few pounds at 154.

 

Im not actually leaning towards Chavez tbh, Id just be less surprised than most if he pulled it off. That said I think Chavez's style plays into Sergios hands, I can see Martinez having a field day with big pot shots

 

Mosley knocked out Vargas and Mayorga at 154...his power was still there. His age is what did him in.

 

I do love matchups like these actually, potshotter/counter puncher Vs pressure fighter.

Reason being it works both ways. For example you said Chavez's style plays into Sergio's hands but at the same time, a guy with a low workrate can always play into a pressure fighters hands, and is at risk of simply being outworked.

 

Yeah I guess he did still have some pop, but his punches were slower and more deliberate. I'd say he was a FAR more effective puncher at 147.

Mosley never suited 154, he always looked kind of sluggish there.

 

I think Chavez definitely will outwork Martinez. If Sergio can't hurt him he's losing for sure. Chavez is also much taller, it's not going to be easy for Martinez to land if he's only throwing one at a time which he tends to do often.

 

Much taller? There's only 2 inches between them and Martinez actually has the longer reach, he has long monkey arms. Not only that but both Williams and Pavlik really were both much taller than Martinez, and he didn't have much trouble landing on them did he?

Plus he's simply a better fighter, it's an interesting style matchup, but I'll be pretty surprised if Chavez wins to be honest.

 

You remind me of Jodie Foster in "The Accused"

 

Vargas and Mayorga were ruined fighters by that point in their careers.

 

Are you saying you want to fuck me 'til I love you?

:notallthere:

 

Yep, I think Mosley still had SOME power, but those 2 aren't the best examples really. They were both done at the point.

 

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Chavez got the decision. It really boils down to whether Martinez can hurt him enough to gain respect. if not I think Chavez walks him down and wears him out.

 

I have never seen them standing next to eachother, I would have thought it was more than 2 inches. Listed heights are not always correct. Chavez just seems so much bigger.

 

I agree that the era is historically poor, but the lack of depth and quality match-ups isn't synonymous with 'absolutely everyone bar two guys is shit'.

MTF

 

I know full well listed heights aren't always correct, they are usually exaggerated by an inch or so, so if Martinez's 5'10 is exaggerated, then Chavez's 6 foot is probably exaggerated too.

Personally I think they are both accurate enough. Martinez didn't look much less than 5'10 next to Pavlik, who is between 6'2 and 6'3.

I think there really is 2 inches between them, plus why would you think Chavez's height would even bother Serge when he's beaten 2 guys that are even bigger? Martinez had no problem at all with the height of Pavlik and Paul, and they are both clearly taller than Chavez.

 

I was thnking Chavez was taller than that. Sergio didn't really ever hurt Pavlik and without the cut it may have been a different outcome. He did lose to Williams the first time around as well. Even though I thought it could have gone either way.

 

Chavez has been listed at 6'0 for a while, and he looked quite a bit shorter than Andy Lee, who is listed at 6'2.

I agree with you he looks like a fucking huge middleweight, but I think it's just his overall mass. He's tall, but he's pretty filled out and chunky too. He looks more like a 175 pounder.

Also, I thought Serge beat Williams clearly in the first fight, and he was outboxing Pavlik before Pavlik got cut, from a punch, while he was being outboxed.

But regarding heights, it won't be Chavez's height that bothers him at all, it will be his overall size/weight/strength.

 

I suppose you are right, I really thought he was taller than that. Lee was quite a bit taller than him though.

 

I am saying I want to kick your children in the testicles so you can feel my pain

 

I only have 1 concern for this fight. That is how big will Chavez Jr be allowed to come in fight Night. Martinez is a small middleweight as it is. Chavez Jr should not be allowed to come in 180+.

 

I think size will be the biggest factor here.

 

I can see this being a factor for sure. The question is can Martinez hurt Chavez Jr. I think he can but I guess we will have to watch and find out. :crafty:

 

He seems to have a solid chin so far. Lee couldn't do anything and he can hit pretty good. Martinez isn't a huge puncher, I don't care if he KO'd Williams. Who else has he put out like that?

 

Martinez hits much harder than Lee, and you'll see for yourself when he fights Chavez.

Chavez will either get stung a couple of times and become WAY less aggressive than normal, get potshotted, and lose a decision, or he'll be brave, keep coming forward, eating flush shot after flush shot and get stopped. Even if you have a good chin there's only so many flush shots you can take before you just get worn down and hurt.

Bit like the recent Soto vs Matthysse fight, it wasn't any one punch that really did Soto in, you could just see him becoming gradually beaten down with each flush shot that landed.

 

How many guys have lasted 12 rounds against him?

 

Quick question. How may rounds did Sergio Pussy last against Margarito?

 

In a fight 12 years ago when he had been a pro for 2 years? Who cares.

 

Sorry, close the answer was 7. A quick follow up was Sergio Pussy crying in the ring after or did he handle his defeat like a warrior.Niece Neil doesn't understand his "how many people have gone 12 rounds with Sergio, the pussy," is actually a great argument to why is kayo percentage is accurate. Sergio Pussy has fought such a lackluster competition throughout his career that 12 rounds weren't even sanctioned. Most fighter kayo these scrubs. Not Sergio, the pussy.He ran from them for 2"30 seconds and got decisions slightly less than half the time.......until he met Magarito who dominated, humiliated and destroyed him.

 

And Ike, do you consider it insignificant that he'd been a pro for 2 years with no amateur background at all?