Who couldn't get KOed enough times for you???

Sam Peter's "fighting ability" matters not when he is slamming you in the back of the head.

Wlad isn't granite, but he's not porcelain either.

 

porcelain pussy apologist.

 

I am pretty sure Ricky was doing the most drunken moonwalk I've ever seen when it was stopped, he definitely ended up on his arse again and I am pretty sure he wasn't up at 10. I did see Donnie Denzel Darko waving it off in the crowd at ringside, maybe that's what you are referring to.

Fragile guys don't have 3 losses in 60 odd fights at heavyweight. He's vulnerable, he's prone to getting into trouble, he's a heavyweight fighting other heavyweights, whatever choice of words you prefer, but he's not "fragile". He's no worse than Hearns, in fact, Hearns was probably closer to "fragile" than Wlad is.

McCline hit Wlad with a massive right hand to the guts in their fight. If Wlad was fragile, he would have folded.

Fucking Lucien Bute is fragile. Bernard Dunne...Royal Doulton Dunne, that's real fragility.

Sorry to be so pedantic, Wlad is a cut above fragile in anyones language.

 

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I was talking shit about Wlad flopping to the ground vs Peter, Irish. Not sure why I remember that.

 

I just hate Wlad's defensive holding, head pushing etc. I can't stand cheating designed to suspend (escape from) the fight. So I'm biased. And I remember things that didn't even happen to support my biases ::

 

Irish wtf ::

Wlad is the definition of fragile. You don't have to be counted out repeatedly to be considered fragile. People consider Cotto fragile and he's never even been KO'd.

Chins are different. Look at Bruno, he wasn't hard to hurt, but he was impossible to knock down or KTFO.

Wlad is the definition of fragile because he's been hurt by pretty much every big punch he's ever taken. If he doesn't get floored, he holds on for dear life.

It's the very reason his style has formed into what it currently is.

It's his one real weakness, if he was not fragile at all like his brother, he'd be an absolute beast.

 

Yeah. It was easily the worst boxing related post not made by MikE. If Wald Pussy isn't fragile, no one is. He is easily the most fragile world champion ever. Much more of a flower than Teresa Norris.

 

:bow::bow:Be careful! The black semen Hoover doubles as the grammar police(although he violates grammatical rules in every Africa praising post). Put a comma next to her name next time.

 

Irish is correct on this issue. It's not even close. But haters gotta hate.

 

Damn, the Peter fight is the worst case i could see for arguing that a guy is not fragile. Wlad was kd repeatedly by punches that didn't land

 

For what its worth, one of the few times I ever agreed with Jim "20 Watt" was when Wlad fought Mormeck. When Wlad let his hands go, it sounded like bags of cement falling from a height into a vat of Tate&Lyle Golden Syrup. One was reminded of Sassoons "Suicide in the Trenches" when he referred to the "Crump" of the heavy guns. You could hear that shit land from the cheap seats. Unfortunately, Wlad blended a lot of crump with a lot of lice, too.

My beef there was that people remembered ONLY the holding and not too much of the hitting, like the 5 hooks he rattled off, or the quality of the finish. Wlad does all this "escapism" but he also does a lot of quality punching. That fight was over in 3 rounds and 1 minute with Mormeck having been beaten soundly. Rough with the smooth, I say. Which do you prefer? Escapism at 240 against a fresh Sam Peter who barely finishes the fight with 2 slits for eyes, or escapism at 140 vs Wile E Coyote Peterson? :dunno:

 

Well we are into semantics at this stage. Bruno. Maybe Bruno had stronger legs or something. Chins, fragile, :dunno:

 

No doubt. One of the greatest offensive fighters ever. But it's like any other performance art - people wanna see somebody at one with what they're doing. Joie de vivre. Wlad's like listening to somebody use game theory to deconstruct the meaning of love. Deadening.

 

Agreed, but he's just a cat and he's doing cat stuff. Which is why he is defending this IBF girdle against this Tony Thompson......he knows that any gap in the lineage means somebody that he already beat is being referred to as better than him, then Thompson goes and loses to David Haye, and we have that shit all over again as the Cypriot Bermondsey Cum Bucket sounds off ad nauseum etc.

Back in the day, Wlad would be like 55-12-5 and would be regarded as a great great fighter. He can't afford to lose these days, he just can't, so its the stink/magic fest from him.

 

Yep. Wlad looked liked the perfect heavy, until he was hit hard or was faced with adversity...

 

Absolutely not. As usual, you are not looking at the whole picture in your rush to defend Wlad. Hearns fought a much higher level of competition than Wlad. And he DIDN'T spend a big chunk of his career fighting in a safety-first manner against overmatched opposition.

I don't see anyone, ever, referring to Hearns as "Hearns Pussy". And why is that? Because his stoppage losses, two against a pair of the best fighters ever, didn't change him into a scared fighter.

 

How he fought has nothing to do with his constitution. When Oscar ran out of gas and went backpedalling vs Tito, Barry McGuigan and Jim Watt questioned Oscars fortitude. Way to miss the point. Barry could have done with some of that back-pedalling when he was losing to Cruz. Don't confuse the matter. Hearns fought the way he did not out of some suicidal volition but out of necessity. He couldn't stink it out, so it was shit or bust.

Tommy vs Barkley...yeah, that's some igneous rock right there.

At heavyweight, talent, beyond the ability to land a punch and take a punch, is irrelevant. Its the only division where a disparity of talent can be routinely rendered irrelevant. Hearns could get blown out by a rank bum like Barkley as easily as he could by an ATG like Hagler.

 

Hearns couldn't because he never spent the hundreds of hours learning to Wlad has. Where and when plays a part. Kids in 70s detroit had some love for game, for better or worse. Hearns would have been too downright ashamed to fight like Wlad.

 

That may well be true. In any case, I have a theory that what has happened to Ali, Hearns himself and some others besides, has changed the sport of boxing forever. Nobody wants to wind up with a head full of cornflakes and a bank account full of zeros and nothing else. Ali and Hearns are in bad places today and where they rest in our minds makes no difference to them, nor should it. Wlad is probably going to retire with most of his faculties intact and the tax authorities in Germany, the USA and England all guessing like fuck.

 

Of course how he fought is relevant to his level of fragility. Hearns were as fragile as some claim, that combined with his aggressiveness, would most likely have resulted in more stoppage losses.

And Hearns was perfectly capable of fighting tall, using his jab and movement and holding whenever an opponent came anywhere close to him. And he DID do it at times when in trouble. But he didn't do that all the time, and make it his main strategy, even after suffering stoppage losses. Hearns was nowhere the one-trick pony you are trying to make him out to be. Hearns COULD have fought in the same negative manner as Wlad does, but he chose not to.

Nobody with any sort of objectivity would object to fragility as being one of (along with shitty stamina) Wlad's weaknesses. But that, as usual, leaves you out.

 

He may very well do this, but that doesn't make him any less fragile in the ring.

 

This.

 

I don't think the guy has shitty stamina either. For a 6'62 240lb guy, he shows above-average miles to the gallon. I guess Tommy just wanted to lay against the ropes and get wailed on by Ray and Marvin.

 

This doesn't make an ounce of sense. Hearns getting stopped late in a great fight by one of the best fighters ever is a lot more impressive Wlad than blowing his load against a clearly inferior fighter like Brewster and being gassed and beaten up within 6 rounds.

Along with his fragility, another reason for Wlad's current negative style is to conserve his energy due to his known stamina issues.

Despite these limitations, Wlad has remained at the top of the division for quite some time now. But to pretend these weaknesses don't exist is simply self-serving.

 

He conserves energy due, like all humans, to having limited energy, limited energy exacerbated by being 6'6" and 240lbs or so.

In any case, lets compare Tommy vs Barkley/ Wlad vs Brewster.

 

Yeah, valid point. Lets face it - we're all horrible people for watching this shit

 

Well not at all, they want to be watched, but.......we all know the score too.

 

By all means, let's focus only on the Hearns stoppage loss that wasn't to an all time great. Let's do the same for Wlad...oh, wait...that's all we can do, since his losses were all to clearly inferior fighters and his two main weaknesses were so completely exposed that he had to change his entire style to avoid more humiliating losses.

Hey! I have a better idea let's compare Leonard-Hearns I to Purrity-Wlad. That should help your case...oh, wait....

 

Corey Stinks. Now that his pussy ass cannot run, he is just getting "Shambra'd" No chin at all and no power. I would watch all of his fights. I love watching that retard kayo'd.