Haye vs Chisora Thread

I said back when Haye signed to fight Wlad that he should've fought Vitali instead, that it was a much better style matchup for him. But now, Vitali shouldn't fight Haye or even give him the time of day. Who cares if he beat Chisora? Chisora is a bum anyway. We're talking about the guy who out-pussied Wald Pussy. Fuck Haye.

 

I like how the Klitchko lovers claim that Chisora was only in shape for the Vitaly fight

 

Agreed. The real fucking annoyance is that Haye is quick and powerful enough to really hurt Wlad, who is a chinny wald pussy, if Haye was willing to walk through fire. But he chose to take the money and run. Literally. A total fucking waste.

Haye would have gotten a lot more credit, and more success IMO, if he trained for a six round tear up and simply took it to Wlad, got inside and unloaded bombs. IMO he's lose maybe six out of ten times fighting that way, winning by brutal wald pussy collapse four times. The way he fought he loses eleven out of ten times. Pathetic.

MTF

 

Yeah.

Say what you like about Haye, and a lot is fair, but he was a devastating puncher at 200 and at HW he is plenty good enough to hurt any HW. Every heavy he has hit he has hurt. Chisora is shit but game and sturdy and Haye obliterated him with a simple 1-2 combination. The boy has speed and can punch, no doubt.

MTF

 

Let's stop this myth. He hit Valuev and wald pussy clean and didn't hurt either of them.

He has good power, but he has only KO'd scrubs or washed up fights, it's deceptive.

 

Bollocks. He never landed a decent shot on Wlad all night and he ran from the ogre from start to finish, landing one shot and staggering the weird, Hans Cristian Anderson looking cunt. Every other heavy he has engaged and has dropped/stopped. The fact that they are mooks is irrelevant- they are ALL mooks.

MTF

 

Bollocks. He hit wald pussy with several clean right hands, make no mistake.

Flush? No, as wald pussy obviously isn't stupid enough to march into shots like the Chisoras of the world, but they were clean enough shots, and they did nothing.

As I said he's a Freitas level puncher. Good power for sure, but not the brutal KO artist some believe.

 

It's funny how every white guy on this forum truly hates the Klitschkos.::

 

That's not true, I think most of us quite like Vitali actually. He is totally different to wald pussy.

 

I don't mind the klits.

 

He never landed a single flush shot on wald pussy. Not one. He ran for his life, man. Of course wald pussy isn't as daft as Chisora and the likes, but Chisora is a solid type, with good resistance. He got melted. No-one is saying that he is a 'KO-artist', but he certainly hits hard. Hard enough to hurt wald pussy if he wasn't himself an even bigger pussy.

MTF

 

Vitali is a very solid champ IMO.

MTF

 

I enjoy Vitali, the competition sucks but he treats them like they suck. He distances himself from them, batters them, lumps them up and shuts them out. He is formidable and tough. I will be sad for him if he eventually loses. He's no longer a young man. He has slowed down a bit.

I simply hate wald pussy, whose style is illegal and based entirely off of fear and faggotry. He is wald pussy and he sucks.

 

I want to see Wald fight Tyson Fury next year.

 

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I read your post, found myself nodding in agreement then got to your sig and saw the 'formidable and tough' Vitali crying in agony as wald pussy got turned turtle.

MTF :l2:

 

:laughing:

I will give him a pass, though, nobody wants to see their brother get beat up

(I agree, that the picture is hilarious, however)

 

Cracks me up every time I see it. Steve's sig too.

MTF :bears:

 

:bears:

 

I am in Greenford, West London, its full of Mahatma Gandhi look-alikes and they all love Wlad. Something to do with his lack of violence and his lack of respect for black folk, two of Gandhi's most valued characteristics.

 

How you finding Greenford, Irish?

 

Hey, its a cut above fucking Brixton, I can tell you that much for fun mate. Its very sub-urban, a bit tatty in places, a bit reserved in others. Sudbury Hill is my nearest Tube Station, and its quite handy. Had my first go on the Tube there getting from Brixton {Kennington/The Oval} to Sudbury Hill. Madness for the first time. Get on here, change lines, get off here, pay the difference in fares {switched from Piccadilly Line to the District Line} and then finally arrive at my destination.

I can't describe how mad the last few days have been. First off, we were sailing, and I made a rudimentary fuck-up with the tickets and we missed the boat. So we got the next sailing, made it into London just as it was getting dark and starting to piss rain on Thursday night. Could not find the Vauxhall Bridge for love nor money. It was raining so hard we couldn't hear ourselves think over the roar of traffic {windows were down to clear the fogged up windows}. We were looking for Hyde Park Corner and asked this bitch if we were close and she said "I don't know, but you are blocking the way" in this Ab-Fab accent.. I called her a cunt out my window. Bitch.

Eventually managed to get across the Vauxhall Bridge and into Brixton and my sisters place. Fucking hell mate, It was hectic. My brother was driving and was turtle-heading like hell for a shit because the jacks in the service station at the London Gateway were so bad he refused to use them.

We left Wales at 4:45pm and made it into Brixton for midnight. We were in North London {Belsize Park} around 10:30pm. Personally, from what I have seen, the etiquette of drivers, especially the black-cabs, is bloody terrible. I mean they have no respect for the rules of the road. We were right where we needed to be and on several occasions got forced wide and away from our turns. That went on for an hour.

Anyways Greenford is grand, thanks for asking, its full of polite Indians and has several Polish shops and at least two Irish bars. I can see the Wembley Hand-Bag arch from the "main street" as it were. Slowly getting the hang of the buses and the tube. Would not dare cycle in London yet, I don't care what Boris says, its fucking lethal out there.

Thanks for asking. Going looking for work next week. Wish me luck.:kidcool:

 

Sorry if my gigantic penis blocked your view:Thumbs:

Anyways, it was a weird night in the sense that the atmosphere during the undercard was more dead than anywhere I have ever been. Nobody seemed to pay the slightest interest to the ring and the fights were not bad (though the level of the undercard was very crap for such big event). Even in the end of fights noone clapped. During the introductions of the superfeather EBU title bout there were some cheers for the British guy but not during the bout. The only spectacle that made noise was when that fairy singer performed some angel song and crowd booed harder than in John Ruiz fight.

Then came the heavy rain (I was sitting pretty near the ring, nowhere near a roof) and for a while it seemed that the night could be a disaster. Luckily the main event delivered, there was a great atmosphere right before it and luckily for everyone Haye won in style,, had Chisora beaten him it might have gotten ugly as everybody seemed to hate on him

 

That's weird about the undercard atmosphere, usually British crowds are pretty loud and rowdy.

Ugo, how hard do you think Haye can punch? Compared to say, Corrie Sanders - everyone's favourite uncle - or even wald pussy himself.

 

Most people only want to see the main event these days. Undercards have been awful for a good while now barring the odd exception

 

Hard to have good undercards when there aren't many good fighters

 

I think what makes Haye difficult to judge in this regard is that his power seems to change a lot depending on the opponent's style. This is because Haye's punch has a lot to do with timing and stance, he is not actually a heavy-handed guy for a heavyweight.

If the opponent comes forward and Haye is able to throw his shots as counters, then I'd say his right hand is the second most dangerous punch of the division right now (behind Wlad) and not put to shame by anybody. Also his counter right is exceptionally quick, even though his other punches are not. The way he downed John Ruiz with single shots was impressive

However, if Haye has to come forwards and there is too much distance for him to have a perfect balance, his power and speed seems to reduce quickly and he isn't nearly that dangerous of a puncher. His shots had little effect on Wlad and Valuev (apart from the one left hook with caught Valuev walking in).

So I'd say Haye is very dangerous as a puncher and anybody apart from perhaps prime Tyson would have to be wary to walk in against him, but making him lead makes him a very average guy. Corrie Sanders was pretty much the same

 

Could not agree more. Haye has power, but its like saying a car has power. America cars have power in a straight line, German cars have power in the corners and the chicanes. Haye has power but he doesn't have the handling nor the suspension.

Haye has power where his opponent helps him to augment his power, by walking straight in and at a particularly comfortable height. Haye loves plodders in the 6'0" to 6'4" range.

Anything over or under that range will give Haye problems, He hates little guys like Lolenga Mock who can get in under his radar and he hates tall guys he has to reach for, like Wlad or Valuev. Haye is a genuine puncher but he has a limited range. Vitali can hurt guys his own size, guys his own weight, and he generally obliterates midgets. Haye has great power but in a limited range of motion. Certain styles augment his power, other styles blunt it.

Vitali can send guys to emergency with arm punches, Haye needs to land sweet every time. Thats the difference between power and heavy-handedness. Haye could run after you and hit you in the shoulder and it probably wouldn't hurt too bad.

If you run after him and he catches you, he'll KO you.

 

I pretty much agree. He's certainly good at landing blind counters completely flush, and catching people as they walk onto them. I still don't think he has a huge amount of raw power, but he's a good puncher.

I disagree about Corrie Sanders though. I don't think there was anything particularly skilled or clever about Corrie, he just had a huge amount of power, and bizarrely fast hands for a heavyweight that looks like Tom Selleck.

 

I think it'd be more like 8 out of 10 times that Wlad would ice Haye if he'd gotten too aggressive. Haye knew it and decided to play it safe for the whole fight instead of going for it. Still, it would've been more respectable for him to go out on his shield trying than turn in an embarrassing non-performance followed by pictures of his toe.