B.J. Penn offers to pay for UFC 152 testing if VADA willing to hold results until aft

He should talk to USADA if he's looking for someone to cover up or not release test results. They are good at that. Maybe they can just destory the results for him like they did with Winky vs Kid Chocolate.

 

He is asking for them to test but not reveal the results until after the fight. He's asking for them to let someone fight on PED's if they fail the test.

What the fuck good does that do? Isn't the point of testing to not allow fighters on PED's to fight?

 

The point is pretty obvious: Benn knows that he won't test positive and he doesn't want to get fucked out of a paycheck if his opponent is a cheater. He'd rather fight the cheating bastard, get paid, and worry about positive tests later.

That position makes a lot of sense.

It also would make a lot of sense if he insisted that the testing be released ahead of time because he shouldn't have to fight a cheating opponent. However, Penn has chosen to put the paycheck above his concerns with fighting a cheater. Either position makes sense.

 

I get it, but why agree to testing at all then? Just fight and don't worry about what the other guy is doing. Nobody has to sign up for VADA.

 

Because you don't want to fight a cheater if you don't have to.

Despite many people believing that steroids aren't that big of a deal and don't help that much, they are and they do.

 

Exactly. Problem here is that BJ is asking them not to reveal a failed test until after the fight. Assuming Rory does fail a test, he'd still end up fighting him first and finding out later. It makes no sense at all.

 

It makes perfect sense to me. BJ wants cheaters popped but he doesn't want to risk his fight being cancelled at the last second. BJ isn't a big fan of working out so I assume it would REALLY piss him off to train for 3 months and then not get paid.

By the way, it sounds to me like the UFC might have whispered in Penn's ear:

"Dude, props for volunteering for the drug test but it better not screw up our PPV main event at the last minute."

 

I'd bet against this, but it's certainly possible.

 

It doesn't matter anyway. VADA already reponded saying there is no way this is happening and that if they test, they will release the results immediately.

The point of testing is to make sure fights are on a level playing field. The point isn't to bust a cheater after the fact, it's to prevent it from happening in the first place.

 

that guy macdonald is certainly on PEDs

 

You really think so? I never gave it much though really.

 

Here is their policy:
VADA’s policy is to promote the anti-doping principles of fair
competition, the health and safety of athletes, and the integrity of
sport. To that end, eligible athletes participating in the VADA program
will be subject to frequent biological testing. Any doping violations will
be reported to the commission or organization with the authority to
levy appropriate and adequate sanctions, suspensions, and/or
penalties against any athlete who violates these principles.

You don't necessarily have to have immediate reporting to accomplish his.

Also, the commission or the organization may be able to keep the results from being released right away if their policies provide for that option and it wouldn't matter what the VADA did.

 

Not sure why you are even arguing for something that completely defeats the purpose of testing. Testing is worthless if a guy fails a test and is allowed to fight anyway. How does that "promote the anti-doping principles of fair competition, the health and safety of athletes, and the integrity of sport." ? It doesn't.

 

Testing isn't worthless if a failed test results in your paycheck being gobbled up by the commission, getting suspended, getting the win turned into a no contest, and whatever other punishments come up.

Your adjective "complete" in front of defeats is improper.

Here's an analogy: Immediately ticketing someone for running a redlight makes things 'safer' because the person probably won't be running the next redlight they come to. However, that's not to say that mailing them a ticket because a camera at the intersection showed them running a redlight is worthless. The idea that people know that a punishment is possibly coming is still a disincentive to cheat.

 

With proper repercussions in-place, ie forfeiture of majority of purse, loss of license for several years, the system could work GREAT, without compromising entire promotions (there are FAR more than just 2 guys relying on income from this).

 

You guys are completely overlooking the whole purpose of testing. It's so a guy on roids isn't allowed to fight a guy who is not. Simple as that.

 

Well let's just not bother putting murderers in prison then.

 

I didn't say there shouldn't be consequences if a guy fails a test. Not only should there be punishment, a guy caught BEFORE a fight should not be allowed to fight.

 

I can't even have this discussion. You guys have a seriously fucked opinion on this. Testing is in place to protect the fighters, not the fucking promoters.

 

How would allowing the fights to go on followed by a harsh penalty not help protect fighters ?

 

You guys have to be fucking with me. Letting a guy knowingly fight while on roids in not protecting anyone.

 

I agree that the default position should be that a fighter can cancel the fight when his opponent is caught cheating. However, if a fighter wishes to fight anyway, why should he not be able to fight?

If a fighter comes in over weight, that can also be a big advantage and yet we let the fighter who made weight still fight if he chooses to.

 

It shouldn't be up to the fighters. It's illegal. Who's responsible if a guy on PED's seriously hurts another fighter?

 

It's easy enough to make the non-cheating fighter responsible for his own health in this situation.

 

Imo, it's pretty much a given that Penn proposition is due to pressure from the UFC as it give BJ no real upside other than having a excuse in case he lose. BJ is the star in this, not Rory who's still an unknown to the mainstream fan. If BJ beats him, sure it's a good win but not better ( as of now ) than beating a Kosheck, Hendricks, Pierce or even Story. Have one of them fight on the undercard vs some mid level guy so you can take him for back up. The UFC can try to build it that it was the fight that lured Penn from his retirement but I don't buy this piece of marketing at all, McDonald, at this stage of his career ain't the reason a legend like Penn is coming back.

 

Bad comparaison as there is different weight class, so, in that case, in theory, you simply can have an arrangement to have them fight in a higher weight class ( yes, I know that's not the case in title fight ) so the fight can still be sanctionned. Their's no different class of PED allowed though so their's no way a commission could sanction a guy on PED fighting.

 

Man, this is a great debate. I've got to admit that Z and Azazel have swayed me.

As harsh as we all are on steroid cheats, here we are saying it would be OK to let them fight if we knew beforehand that they were juiced.

The more I think about it, the more it seems like a fucked up position.

If a roided Overeem was allowed to fight JDS and then starches Junior in the first round, the fight would be a NC but it doesn't change the fact that the champion just got knocked out cold.

That would be far more damaging to the UFC than scrapping a main event. But in all honesty, damage to the promotion shouldn't even be considered. A cheater just shouldn't be allowed to fight.

This is a stretch, but it would be like knowing beforehand that Margarito had plaster wraps but letting him fight anyway with the idea that he would be punished afterwards.

Z is right. It's just wrong.