Escobedo Quit: Why Hasn't He Gotten Shit?

Who threw the first meaningful low-blow?

How many meaningful low-blows did Hatton throw?

Hamed at the Cobo arena. Now there's a DQ if ever I saw one.

 

The ass whupping by Mayweather and the annihilation at the hands of Pacquaio paid Ricky back for his dirty tactics.

Not to mention the pics of him snorting coke the world saw.

 

I am pretty sure very few people saw the coke.

 

None of this has any impact on the correctness of my statement

 

Look, Hatton threw a tonne of clean leather and beat the fight out of Tszyu with clean effective shots. As dirty fights go it wasn't even on the scale. And why do guys like Duran and Pedroza actually get brownie points for being dirty bastards yet Hatton's big title win is regarded as a disgusting farce?

 

Punk is the man, the only objective Aussie on this site when it comes to Tszyu :bears:

 

I think Hatton's dirtiness is exaggerated. Not very watchable, Hatton did a shit load of holding, but how dirty was he really? Just excessive holding was the main thing, there are loads of fighters that use their head/forearm/elbows much more on a regular basis, as well as sneaky low blows.

 

Hopkins, Pedroza, Duran, these guys were sainted for their filthy nature. Hatton, early-days, didn't do much holding. He threw a fuck load of clean punches too and this is conveniently forgotten. Hatton only nailed Tszyu in the stones AFTER Tszyu had taken liberties himself- and- lest it be forgotten, it had not been too far back that Tszyu was being called "dirty" by everyone in the States, particularly after the 1st Mitchell fight.

 

Hatton went down from a clean bodyshot. He rose then purposely hit Kosta in the nuts.

 

Yeah, ok.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVyfpFauZOE&feature=player_detailpage#t=2680s

 

Sure? Tszyu had already been stopped by Phillips and I never remember him talking that kind of way. He seemed to approach the sport as a sport and not a do-or-die competition.

 

What a stupid cracker. Back in 70's Detroit, they died or they won. Some people just aren't cool enough to get this game.

 

It might not have been the benchmark, but it certainly was on the scale.

 

When you wear a cup that covers your belly button (like Hatton has on) shots to the beltline are legal punches.

Oscar De La Hoya and Lemmon Lewis were two of the first I noticed to wear those sparring cups in fights. Look how wide that belt line is on Hatton.

"like I said before"

That was a legal shot

 

De La Hoya's cup was ridiculous, that thing was practically up to his chest. I guess he knew he "couldn't take it to the body."

 

:: is there no level you won't sink to? Zoo also then cuffed him over the back of the head on the way down.



Its low. Simple as.

 

This shot is clearly below the beltline, and Hatton's shorts are in a fairly normal position.

Clearly a low blow. Not a flush nut shot, but a low blow all the same.

 

Hattons was pure retaliation, and was out of order. But Tszyu started it.

This myth has started up, like so many in boxing, and as usual it bears little resemblance to what happened.

Hattons hugging towards the end of his career is now a free card to accuse him of cheating at the start of it. Its BS and its a lamentable trait in modern boxing, affix a label, make it stick, carry on regardless.

 

The holding and mauling is mostly what I'm referring to. There were many points in that fight where Hatton was tying up and smothering Tszyu to keep him from getting off, while hitting him at the same time. Duran didn't fight like that, in fact the majority of Duran's clinches were initiated by his opponents.

No question he beat the crap out of Tszyu - both of their faces were black and blue messes the next day, but Tszyu's was by far worse - but it wasn't a clean fight.

 

I agree the shot was low. iirc the one Hatton for came later, though. Tszyu was getting battered in there, he was looking for answers or a way out. Eventually he just quit.

 

I still believe Tszyu won the Hatton fight.

 

This further enhances Floyd's legacy.

 

Tszyu did what any old pro did when the heat came on- he threw a dirty shot on what he thought was the referee's blind spot. I still maintain that there was an awful lot of clean leather thrown. Hatton never had a rep as a clincher back then, but he did like to work on the inside and that makes for mauling on occasion.

 

Rep or not, you aren't really suggesting Hatton wasn't holding excessively against Tszyu?

 

What makes it "excessive"??? What would make holding "excessive"??? Its not like he was buzzed repeatedly and hung on for dear life like Bones Adams vs Ayala, or held like Akinwande vs Lewis, or, for that matter, Lewis vs Tyson- all instances of holding, all with differing purposes {hurt in the first, fear in the second, and an attempt to wear the opponent down in the third} He was exclusively seeking inside work, Tszyu was trying to catch him at mid range. This means there will be a "coming together". You go through it and show me all the times Hatton was exclusively responsible for holding, then show me how much of that was unforgivable or "excessive".

 

I dont' disagree with your take on Ortiz. He's proven to be a quitter before.

The point of the thread is why isn't Escobedo getting more shit for quitting? He had no reason for quitting a fight agreed to and got paid twice as much as he was supposed to.

Same with Tszyu and Hatton since people brought that up. I can't see a reason why Tszyu should have quit especially considering how respected he was. One of the most overrated fighters period.

 

You're absolutely right there. One of the 3 most overrated fighters of the modern era.

 

Exactly. The first sign of trouble was the fifth round...before Broner starts on the last barrage of punches you see Escobedo look at his corner as if to say "it's ok to step in now."